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Date:      Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:05:27 -0700
From:      Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>
To:        Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>
Cc:        advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Netscape browser
Message-ID:  <4.2.0.32.19990322154730.00ab0df0@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <36F6C4BA.127F7508@softweyr.com>
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At 03:31 PM 3/22/99 -0700, Wes Peters wrote:


>> (*) Yes, you know and I know that BeOS uses only the LILO loader and some
>
>No, it doesn't.  I used a similar loader on x86 in the early days, called 
>BeLO, but that has been gone since R4.  Perhaps you should know a *little
>bit* about what you're talking about before spewing misinformation about,
>Brett.

As I understand it, the loader in R3 (and perhaps in R4 as well) is a
derivative of LILO.

>> Linux device drivers. But recently, Be has been touting this as a way
>
>Far more of their device drivers came from FreeBSD than Linux.  Be cannot
>distribute Linux drivers with the system, because most Linux drivers are
>GPL'd.  

Actually, Wes, they could -- so long as the drivers are compiled as
separate modules that are loaded at runtime. As I understand it, this
is precisely what BeOS does. (They also statically linked some GPLed
code in R3, but pulled it; see the citation below and also the message
I just sent under a new subject.)

>Other chunks of BSD functionality, primarily FreeBSD, are found
>in BeOS as well -- the system date/time code for instance.

I'm not the least bit surprised that they've used code from the BSDs
as well!

>I dare you to find any public utterance or writing by any official, or even 
>employee, of Be Inc. trying to claim any degree of compatibility with Linux, 

"Compatibility?" Actually, they do claim some compatibility with Linux (though
that's not the issue I was addressing). They have published an ext2 file system
driver that lets them mount Linux disk volumes. But that's not what I was
talking about. What I was saying is that Be included Linux code -- and
GPLed code -- in the package. Some of it was even statically linked into BeOS 
R3. They say so themselves, for the world to see, at

http://www.be.com/aboutbe/benewsletter/volume_II/Issue18.html

>or in any other way attempting to "leverage Linux's flash-in-the-pan 
>popularity."

Be is definitely trying to do this, though it wouldn't state explicitly
that this was its strategy, of course. See Gassee's essay, "A Crack In The
Wall," at http://www.be.com/aboutbe/benewsletter/volume_III/Issue8.html. He's
hoping that Linux will pave the way for the installation of alternative OSes
such as BeOS. Alas, it may also kill Be's market, but that's another issue.

--Brett


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