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Date:      Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:22:48 -0600
From:      Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>
To:        Jonathan Lemon <jlemon@americantv.com>, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD Distributions: Leveling the playing field 
Message-ID:  <4.2.0.58.19990913120027.04ae8e10@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <199909131750.MAA07240@free.pcs>
References:  <local.mail.freebsd-chat/19990913164349$6380@fish.pcs>

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At 12:50 PM 9/13/99 -0500, Jonathan Lemon wrote:

>Ah, yes, now I think that we've reached the core of the problem that
>Brett is having.  If I understand him correctly, he wants to be able
>to leverage off the FreeBSD name.

Not so much "leverage off" -- if I wanted to "leverage off" a big
name, I'd want to use Linux, since it's so much bigger. But I would
want to IDENTIFY it as being built on top of FreeBSD. This would make
it clear that it would be compatible with software written for FreeBSD,
benefiting everyone: the project, which would get credit and more
native software; the consumer, who wants things to be compatible; and 
the product, which wouldn't be mistaken for a totally different beast.

>   Creating a new distribution with 
>a new name wouldn't allow him to make use of the mindshare behind the
>FreeBSD project, and might lead to the perception of another schism
>in the *BSD camp.

It's the latter, to my way of thinking, that would be the big problem.
As an advocate of BSD UNIX in general, the last thing I would want
to do is create is the perception that the BSDs were fragmenting still 
more! Also, to create a new fork would waste resources that could be
used to improve the existing "trident."

>Isn't there some way that we can come up with a labeling which would
>explicitly allow the various offshoots of FreeBSD to identify themselves
>with the project, while making it clear that they are separate efforts?

I've proposed exactly this to Jordan in private e-mail. In essence, what
I have proposed is to continue the practices which Walnut Creek and
Cheap Bytes are already following. The name "FreeBSD" by itself should be 
reserved for products derived solely from a master release, without add-ons.
(Inclusion of the ports and packages would, naturally, be optional.)
But other software products that include at least a certain amount of 
FreeBSD could use the name "FreeBSD" as PART of their names. This 
is what Walnut Creek does: it sells a software/book package called "The 
Complete FreeBSD" and a software-only "FreeBSD Toolkit." Books and seminars 
on FreeBSD wouldn't have to include software to use the name, though I
anticipate that they most often would.

--Brett Glass



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