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Date:      Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:08:43 -0700
From:      Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org>
To:        John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Bruce M Simpson <bms@spc.org>, "Conrad J. Sabatier" <conrads@cox.net>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: device atpic to be deprecated?
Message-ID:  <442ABF1B.5040305@samsco.org>
In-Reply-To: <200603291157.54467.jhb@freebsd.org>
References:  <20060329020527.f8f087a4.conrads@cox.net> <200603290841.50759.jhb@freebsd.org> <442AB520.5050505@samsco.org> <200603291157.54467.jhb@freebsd.org>

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John Baldwin wrote:
> On Wednesday 29 March 2006 11:26, Scott Long wrote:
> 
>>John Baldwin wrote:
>>
>>>On Wednesday 29 March 2006 03:51 am, Bruce M Simpson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 02:05:27AM -0600, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Is the plan still in effect to abolish this device?
>>>>
>>>>To my mind it wouldn't make much sense, given the sheer amount of hardware
>>>>out there which doesn't have an IOAPIC, then again I'm probably out of
>>>>touch with the state of interrupt handling in -CURRENT.
>>>
>>>
>>>All amd64 machines (which is where atpic would be removed) have an APIC.
>>>
>>
>>That's kind of like saying that ISA will be removed because there is PCI
>>=-)  Having an APIC doesn't necessarily guarantee that it works.  There
>>have been enough reports of problems on the mailing lists over time that
>>I think it's a bit premature to declare the ATPIC dead.  Also, is the
>>ATPIC code in amd64 causing problems, holding back progress, or creating
>>a maintenance burden?
> 
> 
> I think that once the lapic timer stuff was added almost all of the APIC
> issues I was aware of went away on amd64 that were fixed by using device
> atpic instead.  Most of the earlier problems were due to chipsets not
> setting up pin 0 as extint, etc. but all that is no longer relevant when
> we switched to using the lapic timer and stopped using irq0 and irq8 with
> APIC.  This is the first I've heard since the lapic timer stuff that APIC
> didn't work on an amd64 box, and device atpic has been off by default in
> HEAD for quite a while now.  If we were able to require APIC on amd64, then
> we might be able to try out some optimizations and other things I haven't
> bothered with since they wouldn't be feasible on i386.
> 

Fine, remove it.

Scott




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