Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 20:13:15 -0700 From: Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <445edf2bbcb1e7e24071b89ce830927f@riseup.net> In-Reply-To: <CAGBxaXnuuZ-NhbVRTnSS=WhkNJ=B8AguopXN0fJ14dZBX9mA4A@mail.gmail.com> References: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> <CA%2BD9QhsjLtVui6exPDyG2CO5H8X-=YckFjCehHusG7eH_kk2sg@mail.gmail.com> <6054BE1B.50706@gmail.com> <20210319130249.000042a1@seibercom.net> <5a8cf0be-646a-a433-2428-9700a47c1bf0@att.net> <20210319140448.00007521@seibercom.net> <c9ca4862-199a-5c6b-1282-18cc32d3486f@johnea.net> <20210319213214.4f8ddf55@archlinux> <CAGBxaXnwqXMBjp0i6Qd6SzbjCq13wFPOo1mjMUucNKw%2BPC1KFw@mail.gmail.com> <259fba3aa7665be79a056fb9f5bc1825@riseup.net> <CAGBxaXnbovsb7g9OghJ5g70zcDROuFV1YWmgMtG3ipDuU19Ngg@mail.gmail.com> <a6e255faf994fd6cb1f07849cca0412a@riseup.net> <CAGBxaXmUTNV4%2BxWzWE0x_rYFZnniskeAxfn68khumdMaUE_XDg@mail.gmail.com> <a8707a965a080d0d362f8a01ea5ce652@riseup.net> <CAGBxaX=Z1hZM5-qyy2uFC7cGoZG=oyrSpYhtEcoO3n9ZVOZZAw@mail.gmail.com> <06d8d9ae876bbdaf11fe7691fd2d4fad@riseup.net> <CAGBxaXnuuZ-NhbVRTnSS=WhkNJ=B8AguopXN0fJ14dZBX9mA4A@mail.gmail.com>
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On 20-03-2021 12:31, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 10:06 PM Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> wrote: > >> On 20-03-2021 11:20, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >>> I am convinced you don't know how to read or don't read what you >> quote >>> because nothing in what I said was setting standards.... For >> example I >>> never said that you couldn't use Unix for simple stuff like word >>> processing (or latex in your case).... If anything you're the one >> who >>> assumes it the only OS that can do that stuff.... But there are >> plenty >>> of technical/math editors for all OS's now you saying that >> "latex/xml" >>> is the only way to do it (you're own words btw) just doesn't know >> what >>> options are available and on what platforms.... If you don't >> believe >>> me about libreoffice for math editing for example I went back to >>> school (100% online course work) about 15 years ago and did all my >>> math homework (including some pretty hairy matrix math and >>> differential equations) using the equation editor in libreoffice >> (it >>> has only gotten better since then)... Am I forcing you to use it >> or >>> anything else no but you are saying that latex/xml is the only >> way... >>> so who is setting standards? (not me) >> >> No I didn't say anything like that. >> Now you're distinctly bending reality. > > Yes you did say just that when you implied that you use Unix for latex > only and that no other OS was suitable. No, I didn't. I neither said nor implied. >>> For your purposes modern Windows systems are just as fast/solid > > First what part of "your purposes" is not clear?!?! You are not doing > high-end client-server, embedded systems or anything else that Unix is > uniquely well suite for your doing glorified word processing.... so > for your purposes (not some other purpose) Windows is just as fast and > solid as any OS. > >> If that were right, it would be employed by the New York and London >> stock exchanges and the International Space Station, but it isn't. >> I can't even begin to imagine what a frozen screen would mean up >> there. > > 1. The ISS *DOES* use Windows for end user applications (which is what > it good at) and uses Unix for the control systems (which it is good > at): > https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/03/15/why-does-the-iss-use-windows-os/?sh=20fa6b3e6926 > 2. Like the ISS the NYSE uses both Windows and Unix with Unix doing > the *INFRASTRUCTURE* and Windows being the most common UI traders and > other staff use to interface to the trading system > https://www.quora.com/Why-do-traders-all-use-PCs-besides-the-fact-that-there%E2%80%99s-a-ton-of-software-that-is-PC-only > (it should be noted that the super fast high speed trading machines > usually have *NO* OS on them since that would add a few microseconds > of overhead which is completely unacceptable for HFT) > >>> (security is still the one area Unix is still better)... But for >> stuff >>> like webapps there really is no real alternative then Unix because >> of >>> it's infrastructure/backend origins and focus.... So yes the only >>> place where I might be setting standards is in areas where there >> are >>> no real alternatives except the "standard" way of doing things... >>> >>> That is not to say that Unix is the "right" way to do those things >> and >>> for most non-development work it is not the "right" way due to not >>> having "no assembly required" pre-canned solutions for said tasks >>> while Windows does. >> >> If that were true, I wouldn't be doing things the way I do. >> I have yet to see a LaTeX presentation level produced by Word, and >> doubt >> I ever will. > > I never said word I said Libreoffice (the fact you said word is one > reason why I say you don't read). Libreoffice does support LaTex. You're more convoluted in a conversation than a corkscrew. >> It's also better for presentation of math equations, one of the >> reasons >> it was created in the first place. > > Latex was actually created by Knuth originally because he used a very > unorthodox notation in "The Art of Computer Programming" that no > existing equation editor at the time (or even now) supports and thus > instead us using standard CS notation he went down a 10 year rabbit > hole making LaTex. I think you're capable of creating any alternate reality in order to endorse your philosophies of convenience. There's nothing further to discuss, here. Cheers! Harry -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
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