Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:30:52 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman <m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Jerry <freebsd.user@seibercom.net> Subject: Re: Midphase Hosting Message-ID: <4C11133C.1070203@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20100610121250.6ae70dfb@scorpio> References: <201006101147.40385.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <201006101432.23605.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <4C10E2F5.70806@infracaninophile.co.uk> <201006101512.48246.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20100610121250.6ae70dfb@scorpio>
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On 10/06/2010 17:12:50, Jerry wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:12:48 +0200
> Jonathan McKeown <j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> articulated:
>
>> On Thursday 10 June 2010 15:04:53 Matthew Seaman wrote:
>>>
>>> The only other mechanism might be to tag each list e-mail with a
>>> unique value for each recipient in such a way that it is preserved
>>> in the message that mpcustomer.com's help system sends out. That
>>> has severe problems of scale and load on the FreeBSD mail servers,
>>> but it might be possible. There is a similar technique (whose name
>>> I have temporarily forgotten) that some mailing lists use where
>>> they tag the envelope sender address with the recipient name in
>>> order to identify addresses that are bouncing back the list e-mail.
>>
>> Isn't that called VERP (variable envelope return path)? I agree - the
>> load it would impose isn't worth it. I'm just shocked that midphase
>> care so little about their reputation or the impression this is
>> giving, on one of the more widely-archived mailing lists, of their
>> competence and diligence.
>
> I have employed VERP with mailing lists that I controlled. I never
> noticed any adverse effects. I know of several technical lists
> like Dovecot that employ it. Obviously, they find it useful.
VERP itself is reasonably lightweight, as it modifies the envelope
sender address -- something that can be applied during processing by the
MTA as part of sending the message.
Unfortunately, I suspect that to get the message through to
mpcustomer.com and then have it spammed back to the sender *with the tag
intact*, VERP per se won't do the trick. It will probably be necessary
to put the tag into the body of the message. As far as mail delivery
goes, that's a very different story -- it goes from one message with
tens of thousands of recipients, to tens of thousands of messages each
with one recipient.
Cheers,
Matthew
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