Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:03:29 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman <m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk> To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Port system "problems" Message-ID: <4FE97AE1.9080109@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4FE97008.2060501@netfence.it> References: <4FE8E4A4.9070507@gmail.com> <20120626065732.GH41054@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <20120626092645.Horde.HytQbVNNcXdP6WQ1aMtjoMA@webmail.df.eu> <4FE96BA0.6040005@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4FE97008.2060501@netfence.it>
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On 26/06/2012 09:17, Andrea Venturoli wrote:
> On 06/26/12 09:58, Matthew Seaman wrote:
>> On 26/06/2012 08:26, Marcus von Appen wrote:
>>>>> 1. Ports are not modular
>>
>>>> What do you mean by modular? if you are speaking about subpackages i=
t
>>>> is coming,
>>>> but it takes time
>>
>>> I hope, we are not talking about some Debian-like approach here
>>> (foo-bin,
>>> foo-dev, foo-doc, ....).
>>
>> Actually, yes -- that's pretty much exactly what we're talking about
>> here. Why do you feel subpackages would be a bad thing?
>=20
> Can I share my 2c?
>=20
> Because it will just multiply be three the number of ports each of us
> has to install/maintain/upgrade/etc...
Yes, it will multiply the number of ports. By three is about right,
given that most ports will only have port-docs and port-examples
sub-ports. However, first of all, you are assuming that the effort
required to install each of those sub-ports is the same as it is to
install a single port now. That is simply not the case.
If you want to install the foo/bar port, then (as now) you'ld
essentially[+] --
# cd ${PORTSDIR}/foo/bar
# make
# make install
but you'ld end up with bar-0.99, bar-doc-0.99 and bar-examples-0.99
installed. Unless you have a setting like NOPORTDOCS or NOPORTEXAMPLES
(probably controlled by a dialogue menu like any other options) which
means you don't get the associated -docs or -examples sub-ports.
That's no real change in terms of what you'ld have to do compared to now.=
The difference is that if you install from packages, you now have the
opportunity not to install docs or examples.
Secondly, that's just one example of how sub-ports should work, and
docs/examples will be special-cased given their ubiquity. Most
sub-ports would be controlled by port OPTIONS dialogues.
A typical example would involve client-server apps -- so mysqlNN-server
becomes a sub-port of mysqlNN-client. You get to check a box saying
'install the server as well as the client' when you go to install
mysqlNN. Similarly all those php5-XYZ modules become sub-ports of
lang/php5. The big difference being that the port and all its sub-ports
are compiled in one step, and just packaged separately. Which is
probably less work overall that the current situation with ports and
slave-ports.
Cheers,
Matthew
[+] Or more likely you'ld use portupgrade or portmaster or similar to
run these steps for you.
--=20
Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard
Flat 3
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