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Date:      Fri, 22 Dec 2023 01:54:47 -0800
From:      Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com>
To:        Toomas Soome <tsoome@me.com>
Cc:        Tomoaki AOKI <junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp>, Current FreeBSD <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: symlink to /boot/loader.efi
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On Dec 22, 2023, at 01:36, Toomas Soome <tsoome@me.com> wrote:
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>> On 22. Dec 2023, at 11:09, Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> Tomoaki AOKI <junchoon_at_dec.sakura.ne.jp> wrote on
>> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 23:21:00 UTC :
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>>> On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 14:22:14 +0100
>>> Dimitry Andric <dim@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
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>>>> Yeah, my procedure is the same as yours: I first copy =
/boot/efi/efi/freebsd/loader.efi to /boot/efi/efi/freebsd/loader.old, =
then copy the freshly built and installed /boot/loader.efi to =
/boot/efi/efi/freebsd/loader.efi. I don't see a technical reason why =
this could not be just another step in the installworld procedure.
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>>>> That said, I am unsure if the pathname /boot/efi/efi is always the =
same, at least for all UEFI systems. It is the default layout when you =
do a regular install with recent installer onto a UEFI system, but some =
users may use completely different mount points. So you should still =
have some way of configuring the default location for loader =
installation.
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>>>> Also, on default installations a fallback entry named =
/boot/efi/efi/boot/bootx64.efi is made, essentially another copy of =
loader.efi but with a different name. Namely, the default name that UEFI =
(on x86_64 at least) searches for, if it doesn't know anything else. =
I.e. if it isn't configured via efibootmgr(8), or the EFI variables have =
been junked for some reason. It might make sense to also update that =
file.
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>>>> -Dimitry
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>>> Just an idea.
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>>> It would be nice if loader.efi (hopefully, boot1.efi,too) could pass
>>> "where am I placed?" info, maybe via kenv.
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>>> Would need boot1.efi to pass something (ideally, "where am I booted
>>> from?", but "boot1_used=3D1" is sufficient).
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>>> To do so, loader.efi can confirm whether it was loaded via boot1.efi =
or
>>> directly from UEFI firmware. If nothing is passed to it, it can =
probe
>>> "where it is?" using UEFI call and set it, otherwise, it should
>>> be /boot/loader.efi, so nothing is needed to do.
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>> To my knowledge aarch64 and armv7 never use the copy in
>> /boot/loader.efi during a boot. It has to have been copied
>> into the appropriate msdosfs such that it has an
>> appropriate path and name there. That is what is found
>> and used during the boot.
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> All UEFI systems start from ESP (EFI System Partition). The only good =
reason to install boot1.efi there is when you have very small ESP and =
need to save that space - and in that case the boot1.esp will search and =
execute /boot/loader.efi.

Yep. May be I misinterpreted what the text strongly tied to
"it should be /boot/loader.efi" and so ended up not pointing
out an actual distinction.

> The problem about boot1.efi (or any other UEFI chainload) is that =
loading file and executing it will not replace current program in =
memory, but will add new one, this may be problem with systems with =
minimal memory configurations. And yes, boot1.efi is not really platform =
specific - it is just another EFI application - one can build and use it =
on arm (or any other) systems

Not powerpc (32-bit), powerpc64, or powerpc64le: these are
not UEFI systems at all, if I understand right.

Of course, if only tier 1 is documented, such would not be
covered. But documentation that is limited to tier 1 should
say so explicitly --but various examples have historically
not done so.

> and then it will load and start /boot/loader.efi.
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> starting loader directly from ESP has few advantages =E2=80=94 you =
wont waste memory for boot1.efi, you save a bit of boot time, you can =
use auxiliary files from ESP to pass some information to loader.efi (for =
example to tell where your rootfs is in case of multiboot setups).
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> the boot1.efi could be a bit more appealing if it would be able to =
load and start kernel directly, allowing to build very memory limited =
setups, but then again, it does sound like very specific corner case.

Thanks for the UEFi-context notes that go well beyond anything
I referenced. Good stuff.

> rgds,
> toomas
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>>> If no related kenv is set and freebsd-boot partition exists, it =
should
>>> be booted with legacy (BIOS) boot.
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>> If there even is a "legacy (BIOS) boot" is a platform
>> specific issue as far as I know.
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>>> The easiest to be set by loader.efi and/or boot1.efi would be raw =
UEFI
>>> device path. So would need analyzing where actually is on booted
>>> FreeBBSD environment.
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>> See the earlier point about aarch64 and armv7 not using
>> /boot/* files while loading the FreeBSD loader: the
>> FreeBSD loader variant used is the first stage able to
>> look inside UFS or ZFS file systems. Loading and
>> starting the FreeBSD loader happens before that stage
>> in those types of contexts.
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>>> . . .
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>> Also, to my knowledge, powerpc (32-bit), powerpc64, and
>> powerpc64le do not involve any variant of loader.efi or
>> UEFI/ACPI or UEFI/DeviceTriee in their boot sequnces.
>> Again: more platform specific rather than generic.
>>=20


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Mark Millard
marklmi at yahoo.com




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