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Date:      Fri, 14 Oct 2016 09:54:07 +0200
From:      Mathieu Arnold <mat@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org>, David Demelier <demelier.david@gmail.com>, Andrea Venturoli <ml@netfence.it>
Cc:        Matthieu Volat <mazhe@alkumuna.eu>, "freebsd-ports@freebsd.org" <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: harder and harder to avoid pkg
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From: Mathieu Arnold <mat@FreeBSD.org>
To: Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org>,
 David Demelier <demelier.david@gmail.com>, Andrea Venturoli <ml@netfence.it>
Cc: Matthieu Volat <mazhe@alkumuna.eu>,
 "freebsd-ports@freebsd.org" <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org>
Message-ID: <5a38b25d-2ac9-cd9b-0701-fbaad5af06c0@FreeBSD.org>
Subject: Re: harder and harder to avoid pkg
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Le 14/10/2016 =C3=A0 09:34, Julian Elischer a =C3=A9crit :
> On 13/10/2016 5:42 AM, David Demelier wrote:
>> 2016-10-12 10:04 GMT+02:00 Andrea Venturoli <ml@netfence.it>:
>>> On 10/12/16 09:24, Matthieu Volat wrote:
>>>
>>>> And GNU/Linuxes can be a PITA when you have to track -dev(el) packag=
es
>>>> (which sometimes really requires -bin, -app or whatever), or worst,
>>>> describe
>>>> to people how they are supposed to build your software with weird
>>>> subpackage
>>>> names.
>>>>
>>>> I really like that ports provides the software project as intended b=
y
>>>> upstream (modulo options).
>>>
>>> Just a "me too" here!
>> Could not agree more.
>>
>> Please forget that idea.
>>
>> I just hate having to install libfoo, libfoo-dev, libfoo-dbg,
>> libfoo-doc, libfoo-whatever each time I need to develop on Linux.
>> Please do not transform FreeBSD as a Linux distribution :)
>>
>> I love the way FreeBSD and some very sparse Linux distributions
>> provide the packages exactly how it would be installed by hand (=3D
>> vanilla).
>>
>> FreeBSD offers some options and very few changes for better
>> integration but packages are provided vanilla. You want a package? You=

>> install /packagename/ nothing more, nothing less. I really would like
>> to see simple vanilla packages for the next 10 years.
>>
>> The FreeBSD ports is already extremely complicated, do not make it
>> even harder :(
> The suggestion is not for ports, but for packages..
> a single package could be unpacked in 'runtime only' or 'everything'
> mode.
> basically one package, two manifests.  So no "foo-devel" or "foo-runtim=
e"
> just 'foo'

It is for ports, because packages are built using ports, and ports would
need to grow the feature.

--=20
Mathieu Arnold



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