Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:29:02 -0500 From: Jason Crawford <jasonrcrawford@gmail.com> To: Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org> Cc: Theo de Raadt <deraadt@cvs.openbsd.org> Subject: Re: Adaptec AAC raid support Message-ID: <5d68382805031912297b5f6f39@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <423C89BF.4010604@samsco.org> References: <200503191743.j2JHhW1u024795@cvs.openbsd.org> <423C7EB1.9060704@samsco.org> <opsnwhyre4lgycge@localhost.worldwithoutwire.com> <423C86A6.5020203@samsco.org> <5d683828050319122066805fe@mail.gmail.com> <423C89BF.4010604@samsco.org>
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The OpenBSD community doesn't want help for closed utilities and drivers. All we want is documentation. No source, no binary-only-cannot-distrubute drivers and utilities, just enough documenatation for which to write their drivers, and support oursevles. No one has been able to answer us on how releasing just documentation would lose them so much business that it's worth losing all this business. Jason On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:21:19 -0700, Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org> wrote: > Jason Crawford wrote: > > The problem is that the AAC driver doesn't work. My 3.6-stable dell > > poweredge server with that raid controller crashes at least once a > > week because of the raid controller driver. There is nothing wrong > > with fighting for something that you want, and neither you nor Doug > > have been that helpful. All Doug did was give Theo the run-around by > > saying, don't worry, we'll be coming out with all new stuff! Which he > > neglected to mention that they wouldn't be opening documentation for > > either, at least enough to write a stable driver and management > > utility. Adaptec would not be losing any money for just releasing > > enough docs to let someone else write their own driver and management > > utility TO USE ADAPTEC'S HARDWARE. They'd be generating more business. > > This attitude so far has been quite productive, the OpenBSD community > > has gotten many wireless firmware's and drivers completely open, not > > to mention Theo getting the FSF award. I'd say that is pretty damn > > productive. > > > > Jason > > > > If the OpenBSD driver is buggy, then ask for help. I don't normally > monitor the OpenBSD mailing lists and I don't run it at home, so I have > no idea what the state of it is. I do, however, answer email from > developers from other projects who contact me. The hardware is tricky > to get right and there are bugs in different cards and different > firmware versions that often need to be worked around. It's all > documented in my driver, and I'm happy to share my knowledge. > > Scott > > > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:08:06 -0700, Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org> wrote: > > > >>Adam wrote: > >> > >>>On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:34:09 -0700, Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>I would have been happy to > >>>>help. Heck, I might have even ported the management app (AACCLI, not > >>>>a GUI, btw) for you like I did for FreeBSD. Barring that, I would have > >>>>been happy to show you how to do the linux compat shims for the driver > >>>>so that you could use the Linux AACCLI on OpenBSD. But no, you never > >>>>contacted me. > >>> > >>> > >>>Does everyone who's worked at adaptec have such big problems with reading > >>>comprehension? Nobody wants a maybe working, cludgy, binary only tool. > >>>How would giving the developers something they don't want be considered > >>>"helping"? > >>> > >>>Adam > >> > >>I can't see how the All Or Nothing attitude here is productive. Good, > >>you guys want to produce fully open and unencumbered stuff. That's > >>wonderful. But why is it so important to go around screaming and > >>yelling about it and alientating those who do try to help? Let me > >>tell you, Doug is about the most positive and supportive guy you'll > >>ever have at Adaptec, pissing him off really won't produce results. > >>Why is it so important to drag your users into your political fights > >>by depriving them of stuff that works now but isn't exactly everything > >>that you want? I'd love to have fully open stuff from all the RAID > >>companies too, but I also want the users of FreeBSD to be able to use > >>the resources that are out there to their full advantage and not be > >>pinned down by my political beliefs on the subject. > >> > >>Scott > >> > >> > >
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