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Date:      Sun, 2 Oct 2022 22:46:36 +0200
From:      =?utf-8?Q?Klaus_K=C3=BCchemann?= <maciphone2@googlemail.com>
To:        Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com>, freebsd-arm@freebsd.org, bob prohaska <fbsd@www.zefox.net>
Subject:   Re: u-boot debug, was: Re: U-boot on RPI3, sees disk but won't boot it
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> Am 02.10.2022 um 22:18 schrieb Klaus K=C3=BCchemann =
<maciphone2@googlemail.com>:
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>> Am 02.10.2022 um 21:58 schrieb Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com>:
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>> On 2022-Oct-2, at 12:35, Klaus K=C3=BCchemann =
<maciphone2@googlemail.com> wrote:
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>>> Am 02.10.2022 um 20:20 schrieb bob prohaska <fbsd@www.zefox.net>:
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>>>> On Sat, Oct 01, 2022 at 02:21:42PM -0700, Mark Millard wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> http://nemesis.zefox.com/~fbsd/pelorus_console.txt7_orig_fragment
>>>>>=20
>>>>> still shows all the debug output. It did not
>>>>> avoid the timing changes.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> You might need to not use either of:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> patch-common_usb__hub.c
>>>>> patch-common_usb__storage.c
>>>>>=20
>>>>> and to disable the LOG_DEBUG and DEBUG lines in:
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>>>>> patch-common_usb.c
>>>>>=20
>>>>> via turning them into comments by adding // as
>>>>> indicated below:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> +//#define LOG_DEBUG
>>>>> +//#define DEBUG
>>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> I think the changes were successful, u-boot compiles and
>>>> runs. There's no extra output, and unfortunately only one=20
>>>> successful reboot so far. Bus scanning seems quite slow.
>>>> Storage devices are rarely found on reset, but usb reset
>>>> does sometimes work. Run bootcmd_usb0 paused for minutes
>>>> at Device 0: and paused again after reporting ..current device.
>>>> No echo from the console, ctrl-C did nothing.=20
>>>>=20
>>>> The attempt sequence was
>>>> SRBSPRMRPRRPUPPRRUPUCUUC
>>>> where=20
>>>> S is shutdown -r
>>>> R is reset of u-boot
>>>> U is usb reset
>>>> P is powercycle
>>>> M is stop at mountroot
>>>> C is run bootcmd_usb0
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>>>> The console log is at
>>>> http://nemesis.zefox.com/~fbsd/pelorus_console.txt8_no_debug
>>>>=20
>>>> It now appears that the run bootcmd_usb0 rather reliably gets
>>>> stuck, with the disk LED on steadily (no activity). Maybe in
>>>> one of the loops seen earlier?=20
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>>>> Thanks again for all your help!
>>>>=20
>>>> bob prohaska
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>>> So if you now reapply the  #define DEBUG  patches(while keeping the =
mdelay-patch) and the reboot issues definitely went away
>>> we have a typical so called Heisenbug, hopefully more or less  now a =
fixed issue.
>>=20
>> No. Bob has more than one problem: more problems observed
>> after "1 Storage Device(s) found". The DEBUG/mdelay
>> combination only seemed to cause the "1 Storage Device(s)
>> found" to be at least more reliable, not later stages.
>>=20
>> It is not obvious if earlier activity contributes or not
>> to the problems observed after "1 Storage Device(s) found".
>>=20
>> So far nothing has gotten near having things just work for
>> booting without manual intervention, multiple retries
>> being involved sometimes.
>>=20
>>> Well, USB-boot problems on earlier Pi models( afaik all except the =
4) are commonly known, from defective HW to power cycle issues we will =
find a lot of discussions on the WWW and we will see that even the =
debug-message =E2=80=9Eis your USB cable bad?=E2=80=9C  did fix issues =
in some cases. Others applied RNG devices or external clock or even =
plugging a mouse fixed it( to change usb enumeration).
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>>> I think with the working u-boot.bin after 1500 successful reboots =
you can be sure it=E2=80=99s working =E2=80=A6.
>>> just kidding=E2=80=A6 :-)
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>> =3D=3D=3D
>> Mark Millard
>> marklmi at yahoo.com
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> hard to read and remember every log but I thought Bob wrote about =
aprox. 30 successful reboots after the mdelay patch,
> while of course that could be coincidence, who really knows what =
happens in this untrackable inconsistent behavior of the usb-boot?!
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>> Am 02.10.2022 um 21:48 schrieb Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com>:
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>> (RaspiOS and Ubuntu do not use U-Boot last I knew. So
>> they do not make for good comparisons for the purpose
>> as far as I know.)
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> RaspiOS doesn=E2=80=99t , Ubuntu(and others) use u-boot since years =
=E2=80=A6
> while possible Ubuntu(or others) have own u-boot patches ,
> from guessing it seems more probable that they also will sometimes =
hang after (re)boot.
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> If I would want to keep such a device as an online server, like Bob =
does, for whatever reason I would=20
> Implement something like an =E2=80=9EIPMI=E2=80=9C or simpler said:
> An immediate console remote access after being warned by a script that =
the machine is offline.
> But I would remove it from cluster if there are known Hardware =
problems.=20
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> Regards
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> Klaus
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=E2=80=A6 but of course, Mark, that is correct :
overwriting parts of the msdos-partition by linux ones could be the last =
resort to save something=E2=80=A6
but if linux had patched inside u-boot, as you did it for Bob, I would =
see other problems coming=E2=80=A6

Regards

Klaus




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