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Date:      Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:07:33 +0200
From:      Rafal Jaworowski <raj@semihalf.com>
To:        Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Guillaume Ballet <gballet@gmail.com>, Mark Tinguely <tinguely@casselton.net>, freebsd-arm@freebsd.org, Stanislav Sedov <stas@deglitch.com>
Subject:   Re: Adding members to struct cpu_functions
Message-ID:  <6C1CF2D3-A473-4A73-92CB-C45BEEABCE0E@semihalf.com>
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On 2009-10-12, at 15:21, Nathan Whitehorn wrote:

>>>> I was wondering whether a separate pmap module for ARMv6-7 would  
>>>> not
>>>> be the best approach. After all v6-7 should be considered an  
>>>> entirely
>>>> new architecture variation, and we would avoid the very likely  
>>>> #ifdefs
>>>> hell in case of a single pmap.c.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yeah, I think that would be the best solution.  We could  
>>> conditionally
>>> select the right pmap.c file based on the target CPU selected (just
>>> like we do for board variations for at91/marvell).
>>>
>>>
>>
>> pmap.c is a very large file that seems to change very often. I fear
>> having several versions is going to be difficult to maintain.  
>> Granted,
>> I haven't read the whole file line after line. Yet it seems to me its
>> content can be abstracted to rely on arch-specific functions that
>> would be found in cpufuncs instead of hardcoded macros. Is there
>> something fundamentally wrong with enhancing struct cpufunc in order
>> to let the portmeisters decide what the MMU and caching bits should
>> look like? This is a blocking issue for me, since it looks like the
>> omap has some problem with backward compatibility mode. Without  
>> fixing
>> up the TLBs in my initarm function, it doesn't work.
>>
>> Speaking of #ifdef hell, why not breaking cpufuncs.c into several
>> cpufuncs_<myarch>.c? That would be a good way to start that
>> reorganization Mark has been talking about in his email.
>>
> One thing that might be worth looking at while thinking about this  
> is how this is done on PowerPC. We have run-time selectable PMAP  
> modules using KOBJ to handle CPUs with different MMU designs, as  
> well as a platform module scheme, again using KOBJ, to pick the  
> appropriate PMAP for the board as well as determine the physical  
> memory layout and such things. One of the nice things about the  
> approach is that it is easy to subclass if you have a new,  
> marginally different, design, and it avoids #ifdef hell as well as  
> letting you build a GENERIC kernel with support for multiple MMU  
> designs and board types (the last less of a concern on ARM, though).

What always concerned me was the performance cost this imposes, and it  
would be a really useful exercise to measure what is the actual impact  
of KOBJ-tized pmap we have in PowerPC; with an often-called interface  
like pmap it might occur the penalty is not that little..

Rafal




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