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Date:      Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:47:40 +0200
From:      Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk>
To:        Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
Cc:        Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com>, FreeBSD Hackers <hackers@FreeBSD.ORG>, FreeBSD Committers <cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG>, Garrett Wollman <wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>
Subject:   Re: Mandatory locking? 
Message-ID:  <7569.935394460@critter.freebsd.dk>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:28:13 %2B0930." <19990823162813.I83273@freebie.lemis.com> 

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In message <19990823162813.I83273@freebie.lemis.com>, Greg Lehey writes:

>>>> Why should it be made unavailable ?
>>>
>>> So that certain multiple accesses can be done atomically.
>>
>> You don't need that.  You initialize a index to 0, and whenever the
>> sector with that index is written, you increment it.
>>
>> At any one time you know that all parityblocks <= your index
>> are valid.
>
>Sure, that's pretty much what I do in the situation you're thinking
>about.  But it won't work without locking.  Take a look at
>vinumrevive.c and vinumrequest.c.

I still don't see the need for mandatory locking, or locking out
user access in general...

>>> I'm a little surprised that there's any objection to the concept of
>>> mandatory locking.
>>
>> Too many of us have had wedged systems because of it I guess...
>
>Strange, I've probably used it more than anybody here, and I've never
>had a wedged system.  Of course, you need to use it appropriately.
>'rm' can be a lethal tool :-)

Well, maybe you were more lucky, I've had my share of troubles, and
I think the very concept stinks... 

--
Poul-Henning Kamp             FreeBSD coreteam member
phk@FreeBSD.ORG               "Real hackers run -current on their laptop."
FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far!


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