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Date:      Sun, 31 Jan 1999 20:52:39 -0800
From:      "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>
To:        Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>
Cc:        scrappy@hub.org, jcwells@u.washington.edu, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: From Slashdot... 
Message-ID:  <80502.917844759@zippy.cdrom.com>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 01 Feb 1999 03:24:12 GMT." <199902010324.UAA18580@usr04.primenet.com> 

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> Now that Microsoft is pushing NT hard for the server market, where
> will UNIX go next, when they give that up?

I don't have any intention of giving that market up.  NT is something
that it's possible to fight on the server, as hard as that might be,
whereas it's almost impossible to fight on the desktop.  As I said,
the apps just aren't there on the desktop.  On the server, we have
Apache, nntp, sendmail and numerous other free utilities to round out
a pretty reasonable looking functionality picture.

> I think it's time to get some non-technical people involved, and
> actually have the technical people yield them some power.  At a bare
> minimum, there *have* to be people who like to do marketing for
> marketing's sake, if there are people who like to code for coding's
> sake.

There's no issue here of "yielding power" or an unwillingness to do so
impeding the efforts of advocates.  Any "power" that the various
techies in core do yield is purely in the technical arena and, if
anything, there's not a whole lot of attention focused on PR in core
at all.  There's some, not to sell short the efforts of those in core
who've gone off to give speaches or otherwise push the product, but
it's hardly the principal objective of core's technically-focused
group of developers and hence they're not likely to stand in the way
of the non-technical folks.

If you've seen problems in getting non-technical people involved and
concluded that this has somehow come about through their efforts being
blocked by power-brokers, then that conclusion is wholly erroneous and
in need of a serious re-think.  The fact that there are few
non-technical people around is for the simple reason that few of them
have come forward and offered to help, those that do often requiring
far more hand-holding and instruction on "what to do" than most of us
have time for.  We barely have time to "manage" the technical
contributions we receive much less the non-technical ones and if
you're keen to help then by all means, take a few of the non-technical
types under your wing and show them what to do!  Being non-technical,
many of them are rather lost here and need pointers on how and where
they can make a contribution.

- Jordan

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