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Date:      Thu, 19 Dec 2019 16:21:16 +0200
From:      Daniel Braniss <danny@cs.huji.ac.il>
To:        Rick Macklem <rmacklem@uoguelph.ca>
Cc:        Richard P Mackerras <mack63richard@gmail.com>, "stable@freebsd.org" <stable@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: nfs lockd errors after NetApp software upgrade.
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> On 19 Dec 2019, at 16:09, Rick Macklem <rmacklem@uoguelph.ca> wrote:
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> Daniel Braniss wrote:
> [stuff snipped]
>> all mounts are nfsv3/tcp
> This doesn't affect what the NLM code (rpc.lockd) uses. I honestly =
don't know when
> the NLM uses tcp vs udp. I think rpc.statd still uses IP broadcast at =
times.
can the replay cache have any influence here? I tend to remember way =
back issues
with it,
>=20
> To me, it looks like a network configuration issue.
that was/is my gut feelings too, but, as far as we can tell, nothing has =
changed in the network infrastructure,
the problems appeared after the NetAPP=E2=80=99s software was updated, =
it was working fine till then.

the problems are also happening on freebsd 12.1

> You could capture packets (maybe when a client first starts rpc.statd =
and rpc.lockd)
> and then look at them in wireshark. I'd disable statup of rpc.lockd =
and rpc.statd
> at boot for a test client and then run something like:
> # tcpdump -s 0 -s out.pcap host <netapp-host>
> - and then start rpc.statd and rpc.lockd
> Then I'd look at out.pcap in wireshark (much better at decoding this =
stuff than
> tcpdump). I'd look for things like different reply IP addresses from =
the Netapp,
> which might confuse this tired old NLM protocol Sun devised in the =
mid-1980s.
>=20
it=E2=80=99s going to be an interesting week end :-(
=20
>> the error is also appearing on freebsd-11.2-stable, I=E2=80=99m now =
checking if it=E2=80=99s also
>> happening on 12.1
>> btw, the NetApp version is 9.3P17
> Yes. I wasn't the author of the NSM and NLM code (long ago I refused =
to even
> try to implement it, because I knew the protocol was badly broken) and =
I avoid
> fiddling with. As such, it won't have change much since around =
FreeBSD7.
and we haven=E2=80=99t had any issues with it for years, so you must =
have done something good

cheers,
	danny

>=20
> rick
>=20
> cheers,
>        danny
>=20
>> rick
>>=20
>> Cheers
>>=20
>> Richard
>> (NetApp admin)
>>=20
>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 15:46, Daniel Braniss =
<danny@cs.huji.ac.il<mailto:danny@cs.huji.ac.il>> wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On 18 Dec 2019, at 16:55, Rick Macklem =
<rmacklem@uoguelph.ca<mailto:rmacklem@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Daniel Braniss wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> Hi,
>>>> The server with the problems is running FreeBSD 11.1 stable, it was =
working fine for >several months,
>>>> but after a software upgrade of our NetAPP server it=E2=80=99s =
reporting many lockd errors >and becomes catatonic,
>>>> ...
>>>> Dec 18 13:11:02 moo-09 kernel: nfs server fr-06:/web/www: lockd not =
responding
>>>> Dec 18 13:11:45 moo-09 last message repeated 7 times
>>>> Dec 18 13:12:55 moo-09 last message repeated 8 times
>>>> Dec 18 13:13:10 moo-09 kernel: nfs server fr-06:/web/www: lockd is =
alive again
>>>> Dec 18 13:13:10 moo-09 last message repeated 8 times
>>>> Dec 18 13:13:29 moo-09 kernel: sonewconn: pcb 0xfffff8004cc051d0: =
Listen queue >overflow: 194 already in queue awaiting acceptance (1 =
occurrences)
>>>> Dec 18 13:14:29 moo-09 kernel: sonewconn: pcb 0xfffff8004cc051d0: =
Listen queue >overflow: 193 already in queue awaiting acceptance (3957 =
occurrences)
>>>> Dec 18 13:15:29 moo-09 kernel: sonewconn: pcb 0xfffff8004cc051d0: =
Listen queue >overflow: 193 already in queue awaiting acceptance =E2=80=A6=

>>> Seems like their software upgrade didn't improve handling of NLM =
RPCs?
>>> Appears to be handling RPCs slowly and/or intermittently. Note that =
no one
>>> tests it with IPv6, so at least make sure you are still using IPv4 =
for the mounts and
>>> try and make sure IP broadcast works between client and Netapp. I =
think the NLM
>>> and NSM (rpc.statd) still use IP broadcast sometimes.
>>>=20
>> we are ipv4 - we have our own class c :-)
>>> Maybe the network guys can suggest more w.r.t. why, but as I've =
stated before,
>>> the NLM is a fundamentally broken protocol which was never published =
by Sun,
>>> so I suggest you avoid using it if at all possible.
>> well, at the moment the ball is on NetAPP court, and switching to =
NFSv4 at the moment is out of the question, it=E2=80=99s
>> a production server used by several thousand students.
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> - If the locks don't need to be seen by other clients, you can just =
use the "nolockd"
>>> mount option.
>>> or
>>> - If locks need to be seen by other clients, try NFSv4 mounts. =
Netapp filers
>>> should support NFSv4.1, which is a much better protocol that =
NFSv4.0.
>>>=20
>>> Good luck with it, rick
>> thanks
>>       danny
>>=20
>>> =E2=80=A6
>>> any ideas?
>>>=20
>>> thanks,
>>>      danny
>>>=20
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