Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 09:56:13 -0700 From: Adam Weinberger <adamw@adamw.org> To: Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com> Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Welcome flavors! portmaster now dead? synth? Message-ID: <9BFBB00F-0786-4B92-A564-EABD0179BD93@adamw.org> In-Reply-To: <048e2faf-873e-beb5-35fe-ad8f3f8ea5be@columbus.rr.com> References: <CAN6yY1ujLFdKpuG4Rxz%2Bfww9gAxTBaY14iCB7RFTkh-oVB1%2B9A@mail.gmail.com> <BN6PR2001MB1730A16025654AB7C452111B80390@BN6PR2001MB1730.namprd20.prod.outlook.com> <CAOc73CD9VnLKv8-jBNW1Uj05LnEFh6kkZFKNAxp-EG9YO_AUxA@mail.gmail.com> <1512211220.79413.1.camel@yandex.com> <BN6PR2001MB17309152A0FC3776781AB53B803E0@BN6PR2001MB1730.namprd20.prod.outlook.com> <20171202184356.GA980@lonesome.com> <b0e44e55-5fc9-af2a-22c8-bfa0d30c866f@columbus.rr.com> <20800E88-36EC-49C4-A281-EA6BAB212DBF@adamw.org> <048e2faf-873e-beb5-35fe-ad8f3f8ea5be@columbus.rr.com>
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> On 3 Dec, 2017, at 7:55, Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com> wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 12/02/17 18:31, Adam Weinberger wrote: >>> On 2 Dec, 2017, at 13:41, Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com> = wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 12/2/2017 1:43 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: >>>> On Sat, Dec 02, 2017 at 11:53:58AM +0000, Carmel NY wrote: >>>>> Looking back at other port management utilities like = "portmanager", >>>>> "portmaster", "portupgrade" and now "synth", The FreeBSD team has >>>>> done a pretty good job of obfuscating and rendering them impotent. >>>> That's one possible explanation. Or, as Occam's Razor suggests, = they >>>> continue to try to modernize the Ports Collection, despite = obstacles >>>> (including stale codebases and stubborn maintainers). >>>>=20 >>>> I'll admit some of the transitions have been pretty rough. But = when >>>> you go back and look at Ports as of e.g. FreeBSD 4, there have been = a >>>> lot of good changes -- including some which were necessary due to = sheer >>>> scale. >>>>=20 >>>> If we had stayed with what we had then, the whole thing would have >>>> collapsed by now. >>>>=20 >>>> mcl >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> What you have noe is not that great either. When is base going to = be packed.....ie something that makes sense and works? >> You seem very angry about things breaking in HEAD, Baho. Things break = in HEAD sometimes. This is why we recommend that end-users who can't = have breakages, or users who depend on undeveloped tools, stay on the = quarterly branch. Portmaster works perfectly on quarterly. Always has. >> Everyone understands that poudriere isn't for everybody---Steve Kargl = outlined a pretty classic example of a workflow and system that aren't = amenable to poudriere. We've asked repeatedly for people to work on = portmaster. Far more people complain about it breaking than put in ANY = effort to fix it. >> HEAD is for development. You have to tolerate breakage on HEAD, and = participate in fixing things, otherwise you need to switch to the = quarterly branches. >> # Adam >=20 > I don't use HEAD. I use Quartlery with synth. It is just I expect a = little more than amature hour. I was on Archlinux for 10 years and they = are very bleeding edge. Almost No breakage in ten years. The only = reason I left Linux was systemd. After landing in FreeBSD the experence = has been terrible at best, I have been a user for more than 5 years = hoping that things would get better after seeing all the work promised = not getting done. I am done with FreeBSD and I am going to my own = scratch built Linux. I already have all my raspberry pi on my own linux = version and now I am working on moving my desktops. Should be complete = by the end of the year. If you don't use HEAD, then I fail to see how flavours have wronged you. = Synth now supports flavours, and quarterly works exactly as it did a = week ago. Either way, a scratch built Linux sounds like a great alternative to = FreeBSD, which is terrible at best. # Adam --=20 Adam Weinberger adamw@adamw.org https://www.adamw.org
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