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Date:      Sun, 3 Dec 2017 09:56:13 -0700
From:      Adam Weinberger <adamw@adamw.org>
To:        Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com>
Cc:        freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Welcome flavors! portmaster now dead? synth?
Message-ID:  <9BFBB00F-0786-4B92-A564-EABD0179BD93@adamw.org>
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> On 3 Dec, 2017, at 7:55, Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 12/02/17 18:31, Adam Weinberger wrote:
>>> On 2 Dec, 2017, at 13:41, Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com> =
wrote:
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On 12/2/2017 1:43 PM, Mark Linimon wrote:
>>>> On Sat, Dec 02, 2017 at 11:53:58AM +0000, Carmel NY wrote:
>>>>> Looking back at other port management utilities like =
"portmanager",
>>>>> "portmaster", "portupgrade" and now "synth", The FreeBSD team has
>>>>> done a pretty good job of obfuscating and rendering them impotent.
>>>> That's one possible explanation.  Or, as Occam's Razor suggests, =
they
>>>> continue to try to modernize the Ports Collection, despite =
obstacles
>>>> (including stale codebases and stubborn maintainers).
>>>>=20
>>>> I'll admit some of the transitions have been pretty rough.  But =
when
>>>> you go back and look at Ports as of e.g. FreeBSD 4, there have been =
a
>>>> lot of good changes -- including some which were necessary due to =
sheer
>>>> scale.
>>>>=20
>>>> If we had stayed with what we had then, the whole thing would have
>>>> collapsed by now.
>>>>=20
>>>> mcl
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> What you have noe is not that great either.  When is base going to =
be packed.....ie something that makes sense and works?
>> You seem very angry about things breaking in HEAD, Baho. Things break =
in HEAD sometimes. This is why we recommend that end-users who can't =
have breakages, or users who depend on undeveloped tools, stay on the =
quarterly branch. Portmaster works perfectly on quarterly. Always has.
>> Everyone understands that poudriere isn't for everybody---Steve Kargl =
outlined a pretty classic example of a workflow and system that aren't =
amenable to poudriere. We've asked repeatedly for people to work on =
portmaster. Far more people complain about it breaking than put in ANY =
effort to fix it.
>> HEAD is for development. You have to tolerate breakage on HEAD, and =
participate in fixing things, otherwise you need to switch to the =
quarterly branches.
>> # Adam
>=20
> I don't use HEAD.  I use Quartlery with synth.  It is just I expect a =
little more than amature hour.  I was on Archlinux for 10 years and they =
are very bleeding edge.  Almost No breakage in ten years. The only =
reason I left Linux was systemd.  After landing in FreeBSD the experence =
has been terrible at best, I have been a user for more than 5 years =
hoping that things would get better after seeing all the work promised =
not getting done. I am done with FreeBSD and I am going to my own =
scratch built Linux.  I already have all my raspberry pi on my own linux =
version and now I am working on moving my desktops. Should be complete =
by the end of the year.

If you don't use HEAD, then I fail to see how flavours have wronged you. =
Synth now supports flavours, and quarterly works exactly as it did a =
week ago.

Either way, a scratch built Linux sounds like a great alternative to =
FreeBSD, which is terrible at best.

# Adam


--=20
Adam Weinberger
adamw@adamw.org
https://www.adamw.org




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