Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 18:56:11 +0000 From: krad <kraduk@gmail.com> To: Alejandro Imass <ait@p2ee.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future Message-ID: <AANLkTimYpRZUMAAnxJk2vtoUeOor%2BB8Skg7%2BH3%2BRj4wt@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin60PyaapfjTQP1G97kOx3b3P-mb6Ffw-A0nL3E@mail.gmail.com> References: <AANLkTi=EKpVrX2xc7oq%2Bp=RCVtUMUmcVYefj7G20yr-O@mail.gmail.com> <4CD45A11.7060002@stillbilde.net> <20101105213433.GC8648@guilt.hydra> <AANLkTin60PyaapfjTQP1G97kOx3b3P-mb6Ffw-A0nL3E@mail.gmail.com>
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On 5 November 2010 22:19, Alejandro Imass <ait@p2ee.org> wrote: > On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Chad Perrin <perrin@apotheon.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 08:25:05PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail accoun= t) > wrote: > >> > >> Well ... CDDL was (iirc) based on the Mozilla Public License. Are you > >> similarly worried about Thunderbird or Firefox? > > > > I think Alejandro's more worried about what will happen with future > > versions of ZFS based on the company that now owns the copyrights, whic= h > > is not (in any meaningful way I've been able to determine) at all simil= ar > > to the Mozilla Foundation. Yes, the current stable version is CDDL. > > Will the next be purely proprietary, or some new license, or simply > > discontinued? Will Oracle start using patent suits to try to stop peop= le > > who aren't paying for ZFS or who are using it on platforms other than > > Solaris from using it? > > > > Whether you think concerns like these will prove reasonable in the long > > run, they make a lot more sense than assuming that Alejandro just wonde= rs > > if the CDDL is "dangerous" somehow. > > > > Precisely. This is Larry Ellison's position on Open Source: > > <quote> > If an open source product gets good enough, we'll simply take it. > [...] So the great thing about open source is nobody owns it =96 a > company like Oracle is free to take it for nothing, include it in our > products and charge for support, and that's what we'll do. So it is > not disruptive at all =96 you have to find places to add value. Once > open source gets good enough, competing with it would be insane. [...] > We don't have to fight open source, we have to exploit open source. > </quote> > Source: Financial Times interview, 18-Apr-2006 > http://us.ft.com/ftgateway/superpage.ft?news_id=3Dfto041820061306424713 > > I am not about to check the actual licensing of ZFS, I mean to which > parts are actually licensed with the CDDL or not, for example the HTML > error message documents. Which patents Sun or Oracle have obtained on > the technology, etc. Look at what happened to Android for choosing > Java. Supposedly, it was Open Source and there you have it: it's open > source if and only if... For example, WyTF do I have to login to > Oracle to access the error message information? > > So, my inquiry to this community is: should we really be promoting the > use of ZFS directly by putting it on the FBSD handbook? Maybe it > should go on a different document, and make it really optional. MySQL > is another example, and Open Office, and to top it off BDB. Yes, it's > "Oracle Berkeley DB" - are we as a community continue to allow, and > worse yet promote, this trend? > > Anyway, I'm not going to use it any more. I think that we have to > raise awareness to Companies that create Open Source not sell > themselves out to these vicious looters. Or at least have the decency > to release one final version under a license that will allow the > communities to continue development and keeping the software really > open. > > Best, > Alejandro Imass > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > this thread shouldnt be limited to just zfs really, dtrace is also affected by all the same licensing issues
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