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Date:      Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:19:02 -0400 
From:      "Drew J. Weaver" <drew.weaver@thenap.com>
To:        "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" <freebsd-isp@freebsd.org>
Subject:   RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing)
Message-ID:  <B1A7D9973EBED3119ADD009027DC8649180F7F@mailman.thenap.com>

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	Just an off topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are all of
equal "difficulty" to administer, I run all 3 and none of them make me
shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're attempting to make here?

--- quoth the raven, --- 

Everybody should start with a *nix running on a publicly accessable box.
(Note: Linux doesn't count here, except possibly really old versions of
Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No X either - CLI, people!)

________________________________________________________________________

Chet Hosey
<chosey@nidhog.com>
________________________________________________________________________

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno Davids thus spoke:
>
> > | > Is there any way to trace who is doing it? | > Running tcpdump
> > with certain filter settings to avoid logging everything and
> > filling the disk?
>
>
> > | Dont bother... Just install the fixed version of bind...
> > | Every kid with a script and an internet connection is probably
> > | doing this to you!!!
>
> > This response kind of bothers me. There was a time
> > when everytime I could sanely trace spammers I emailed
> > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them. Similarly, when people
> > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory emails.
>
> If you find a way this works let me know.  I've given up doing this
> because except for the most well known, I've received rejects from
> all mail addresses at the offending provider, root,abuse,
> postmaster, webmaster, etc.  So I just gave up and put the in
> the REJECT list.
>
> Those days responsible people, and not quick buck artists, we're
> keeping the 'net running.
>
> > There was a time when if you probed the Apache on my machine it
> > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, there _was_ a great deal
> > of satisfaction there... Needless to say, there's little mileage
> > in this now (damned M$ service packs!). :)
>
> I never was into 'revenge' or 'tit-for-tat'.
>
> Bill
> --
> Bill Vermillion -   bv @ wjv . com
>
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<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>Just an =
off topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are all of equal =
&quot;difficulty&quot; to administer, I run all 3 and none of them make =
me shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're attempting to make =
here?</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>--- quoth the raven, --- </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Everybody should start with a *nix running on a =
publicly accessable box.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(Note: Linux doesn't count here, except possibly =
really old versions of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No X =
either - CLI, people!)</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>_______________________________________________________________=
_________</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Chet Hosey</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&lt;chosey@nidhog.com&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>_______________________________________________________________=
_________</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno =
Davids thus spoke:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; | &gt; Is there any way to trace who is =
doing it? | &gt; Running tcpdump</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; with certain filter settings to avoid =
logging everything and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; filling the disk?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; | Dont bother... Just install the fixed =
version of bind...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; | Every kid with a script and an internet =
connection is probably</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; | doing this to you!!!</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; This response kind of bothers me. There =
was a time</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; when everytime I could sanely trace =
spammers I emailed</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise =
them. Similarly, when people</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; probed Apache I'd send off adivsory =
emails.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; If you find a way this works let me know.&nbsp; =
I've given up doing this</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; because except for the most well known, I've =
received rejects from</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; all mail addresses at the offending provider, =
root,abuse,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; postmaster, webmaster, etc.&nbsp; So I just =
gave up and put the in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; the REJECT list.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Those days responsible people, and not quick =
buck artists, we're</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; keeping the 'net running.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; There was a time when if you probed the =
Apache on my machine it</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, =
there _was_ a great deal</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; of satisfaction there... Needless to say, =
there's little mileage</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; in this now (damned M$ service packs!). =
:)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I never was into 'revenge' or =
'tit-for-tat'.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Bill</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; --</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Bill Vermillion -&nbsp;&nbsp; bv @ wjv . =
com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To Unsubscribe: send mail to =
majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; with &quot;unsubscribe freebsd-isp&quot; in the =
body of the message</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
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