Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2022 19:00:54 +0200 From: Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org> To: Pau Amma <pauamma@gundo.com> Cc: Postmaster <postmaster@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD accessibility <freebsd-accessibility@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Please switch freebsd-accessibility@ to open posting Message-ID: <B28D577E-9C96-49F4-8E25-3655E5504AD3@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <98972db391c2cd06388e8200815b1ed8@gundo.com> References: <c08aedc952e7e164d9c790ef2d98c8ac@gundo.com> <20220630065413.xx4ufbjjzhsa5hut@aniel.nours.eu> <98972db391c2cd06388e8200815b1ed8@gundo.com>
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Le 2 juillet 2022 08:23:53 GMT+02:00, Pau Amma <pauamma@gundo=2Ecom> a =C3= =A9crit=C2=A0: >On 2022-06-30 06:54, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 03:13:09AM +0000, Pau Amma wrote: >>> I meant for it to be when I requested its creation and thought based o= n the >>> email I received asking for list information that it would be by defau= lt, >>> but per https://bugs=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/bugzilla/show_bug=2Ecgi?id=3D2648= 95#c5, the >>> default was changed silently=2E >>=20 >> Yes when you requested you specifically asked for open mailing list it = wasn't >> changed silently it was missed in the initial request by myself, otherw= ise I >> would have answered the following: >> By default we do setup all the mailing list as subscription only >> and/or moderated, >> most mailing list were configured like this long ago and I first >> dropped it for 6 >> month this politic while migrating to mlmmj and reinstanciated it back= =2E Why? >> because of the amount of spam that went through the mailing lists and >> creates lot >> of work for us postmaster: >> - dealing with people complaining about spam in the mailing lists >> - monitoring such emails and flagging them as such to cleanup the publi= c >> archives as much as possible from the spam etc=2E >>=20 >> So beside strong arguments > >Here's one: "nothing about us without us"=2E > >Accordingly, please consider the following: >- post an apology to the list for accidentally not making it open then cl= aiming "Subscription is easy" instead of asking us, including those of us w= ith cognitive disabilities, how harder that extra hoop to jump through make= s posting for us=2E >- acknowledge the list exists primarily for our benefit, not the benefit = of postmaster members or FreeBSD contributors as a whole (see the note at t= he end of https://lists=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/archives/freebsd-accessibility/202= 1-October/000000=2Ehtml for another example of that)=2E >- ask us what we need and want, mention constraints you have that are or = may be relevant (like the effort curbing spam and any others that you think= also worth mentioning), then let us hash out the trade-offs and what works= better for us=2E > >It may be that no clear consensus or decision emerges, or that one emerge= s agreeing with your position=2E I'm not the only one with a stake in this,= and will abide by the outcome=2E That, however, doesn't excuse you from re= aching out to us or doing due diligence=2E > >Thanks for reading=2E > Wow just wow, I believe we deserve a minimum of respect and benevolence=2E= Being patronized like that is clearly the opposite of that=2E We are spending countless hours of free time to try to provide the best se= rvice as possible with the resource we have, we make mistake, we can also m= ake bad choices and they can be revisited, but clearly not with such a disr= espectful tone=2E Bapt
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