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Date:      Tue, 3 Nov 1998 08:29:01 -0700 
From:      "Foster, Jim" <JFOSTER@CSKAUTO.COM>
To:        "'Greg Lehey'" <grog@lemis.com>
Cc:        "'freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG'" <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   RE: Desperately trying to get X to work...
Message-ID:  <BF4A830F5207D2119420006008A1DB14DDC3C4@v128041.vandenberg.af.mil>

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OK, I redirected the startx output to a file, what do I look for? [Greg: by
the way, the example on page 229 did not save the output to a file, it went
to the screen.  I needed to use `startx 1>startx.out 2>&1`.]

What I ended up saving was output from my SVGA server in 8-bit mode, my SVGA
server that I *attempted* to run in 16-bit mode, and I *tried* to
reconfigure it back to S3, but that was locking up my system.  I am guessing
that I messed up the keyboard somewhere along the way (C-A-backspace and
C-A-del did not work).  I have a keyboard that looks like a Microsoft
Natural keyboard, but it does not seem to be mapped like on.  Anyway, I ran
out of time last night so the only output that I could get from the S3 one
was from a `startx -- -probeonly 1>...`.

So, what do I need to look for and what kind of things will I need to
change?

Thanks
Jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Greg Lehey [SMTP:grog@lemis.com]
> Sent:	Monday, November 02, 1998 4:15 PM
> To:	Foster, Jim; 'freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG'
> Subject:	Re: Desperately trying to get X to work...
> 
> On Monday,  2 November 1998 at  9:34:33 -0700, Foster, Jim wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am trying to get X to work on my computer, but I am not having much
> luck.
> > I have read the book (The Complete FreeBSD), I have read the errata, I
> have
> > downloaded and used the new chapter 8 of the book, I have looked at past
> > list archives....All with no luck.
> >
> > Basically what happens is when I configure and run X, I hear my monitor
> > click and then go black.  I stays that way until I kill X, and cycle my
> > monitor off and on.
> 
> This is an indication that X is trying to drive the monitor out of
> spec.  It's turning off to avoid burning out.
> 
> > I have an IBM ValuePoint computer (i486/66 DX2) with built-in S3 video.
> > SuperProbe reports:
> > First video: Super-VGA
> > 	Chipset: S3 86C805, C-step (Port Probed)
> > 	Memory:  1024 Kbytes
> > 	RAMDAC:  AT&T 20C490 15/16/24-bit DAC
> > 		 (with 6-bit wide lookup tables (or in 6-bit mode))
> > 		 (programmable for 6/8-bit wide lookup tables)
> >
> > For what it is worth, Win 95 reports that I have S3 video and that the
> > chipset is 801/805 Rev E.  (Sidebar: In windows I can regularly use
> 800x600
> > and 16-bit color with no problems).
> >
> > I have verified on the monitor manufacturer's web site what the
> horizontal
> > and vertical refresh rates are, so that part should be OK (it's not in
> the
> > monitors database).
> 
> What are they?
> 
> > When I configured X, it only presents me with three chipset options for
> S3.
> > Those are mmio_928, newmmio, and s3_generic.  No 86C805!  Because of all
> of
> > the "deadly warnings" about frying monitors AND chipsets, I have only
> > selected s3_generic so far. 
> 
> You're unlikely to fry that monitor.  The "click and go black" is a
> good sign.  And s3_generic should do it.
> 
> > I have configured the memory for 1MB, and the RAMDAC (whatever that
> > is...) to att20c490, but I am not sure about the rest of the stuff
> > that SuperProbe spit out, like ...15/16/24-bit DAC... and the stuff
> > about lookup tables.  I assume it has to do with color depth.
> > Finally, I also did not choose any clock chip support since
> > SuperProbe did not tell me any thing about clock chips.
> 
> That should all be OK.
> 
> > I had the config script run X -probeonly to put the clock lines into the
> > configuration.
> 
> You should be able to leave out the clock lines.  If X -probeonly
> finds them, it'll find them at startup too.
> 
> > When I run startx, my monitor clicks, and goes black.
> >
> > As an experiment, I reconfigured X to use the SVGA server instead of S3
> and
> > I can get that to work in 8-bit color mode only (looks _real_ ugly).  As
> > soon as I try and use the SVGA configuration with something more than
> 8-bit
> > color...you guessed it, click-and-black.
> >
> > Am I suppose to use mmio_928 or newmmio?  How do I know which one?  Will
> it
> > hurt my computer if I try and it is wrong? What else do I need to look
> at?
> 
> The first thing you need to look at is the information that X prints
> out when it starts.  Since you have The Book, look at page 229, which
> shows you how to start X and capture this information.  In particular,
> check the information that it outputs about horizontal frequencies.
> 
> Greg
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