Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 16:05:21 +0100 From: Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> To: Alejandro Imass <aimass@yabarana.com> Cc: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>, FreeBSD virtualization <freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: If we are so opposed to Docker and Kubernetes, what is the real alternative on BSD? Message-ID: <CA%2B1FSihg2Q_cnpxFpWaPn_M8qziCqMw=o7DWjYWXGR4RKki12w@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAHieY7SFHAEQVdu75ffdpghXZzsxZqMXaKtxUFS0ZUYLM14yDA@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAHieY7Q2hFoNiruGof81UuomFs5Z%2B6o186d_%2BY8w7JuoQWpitg@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WNFWDUdGR6rboGVBojCx9USPi1oNOFQOw%2ByYOENUek5tQ@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSijA6w%2BKmxuNcweH5txmKL70ObL9h1OrF_JzTt-JLkVrjA@mail.gmail.com> <CAHieY7SFHAEQVdu75ffdpghXZzsxZqMXaKtxUFS0ZUYLM14yDA@mail.gmail.com>
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--000000000000279f7006105355b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---> I understand that Linux native containers can already run on BSD with the Linuxulator layer. Docker can't run on the linuxulator. Curious to see if kubernetes and or runj do it. Me too I know that native code is better,but I know that no one on FreeBSD wants,so instead of using bhyve,if I can,I prefer the lighter Linuxulator. On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 3:47=E2=80=AFPM Alejandro Imass <aimass@yabarana.com= > wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 1:44=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail= .com> > wrote: > >> Would be cool to investigate if the Linuxulator supports Kubernetes.... >> >> > > I understand that Linux native container can already run on BSD with > Linuxulator layer. But I would rather traduce Dockerfile to Bastillefile = of > CBSDFile and go with native code. > > IMO, the issue is not so much the container tech, we invented that in the > first place. The issue is not having a decent orchestrator / autoscaling > service. > > Although I think that runj is the correct starting point: > > https://github.com/samuelkarp/runj > > Although I am not a k8s expert not sure if runj counts as an alternative > to k8s or more like container runtime for k8s. Would be nice that actual > k8s experts could chime in here ... > > > > >> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 1:40=E2=80=AFPM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gma= il.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 3:13=E2=80=AFPM Alejandro Imass <aimass@yabarana= .com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> > ... > > >> You're missing the fact that you could virtualize a Linux host and run >>> all those Docker/k8s inside it and just proxy access to them. >>> For example, I am running https://ushahidi.kictanet.or.ke/views/map >>> inside an Ubuntu VM under bhyve. Apache on the FreeBSD host is doing th= e >>> proxy. >>> >>> PS: I am lucky to be the 1st one to pour more fuel into your flame :-) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>> Nairobi,KE >>> +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 >>> In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. >>> "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-) >>> [How to ask smart questions: >>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mario. >> > --=20 Mario. --000000000000279f7006105355b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>---> I understand that Linux native containers can= already run on BSD with the Linuxulator layer. <br></div><div><br></div><d= iv>Docker can't run on the linuxulator. Curious to see if kubernetes an= d or runj do it. Me too I know that native code is better,but I know that n= o one on FreeBSD wants,so instead of using bhyve,if I can,I prefer the ligh= ter Linuxulator. <br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D= "ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 3:47=E2=80=AFPM Alejandro= Imass <<a href=3D"mailto:aimass@yabarana.com" target=3D"_blank">aimass@= yabarana.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl= e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin= g-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"g= mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 1:= 44=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <<a href=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gmail.com" = target=3D"_blank">marietto2008@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquot= e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s= olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Would be cool to i= nvestigate if the Linuxulator supports Kubernetes.... <br></div><br></block= quote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I understand that Linux native con= tainer can already run on BSD with Linuxulator layer. But I would rather tr= aduce Dockerfile to Bastillefile of CBSDFile and go with native code.</div>= <div><br></div><div>IMO, the issue is not so much the container tech, we in= vented that in the first place. The issue is not having a decent orchestrat= or / autoscaling service.</div><div><br></div><div>Although I think that ru= nj=C2=A0is the correct starting point:</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"= https://github.com/samuelkarp/runj" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/sa= muelkarp/runj</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Although I am not a k8s expe= rt not sure if runj=C2=A0counts as an alternative to k8s or more like conta= iner runtime for k8s. Would be nice that actual k8s experts could chime in = here ...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote cl= ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid= rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"= ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 1:40=E2=80=AFPM Odhiambo W= ashington <<a href=3D"mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">odhia= mbo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty= le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi= ng-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"= gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 3= :13=E2=80=AFPM Alejandro Imass <<a href=3D"mailto:aimass@yabarana.com" t= arget=3D"_blank">aimass@yabarana.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote cl= ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid= rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div></blockquote= ></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>...</div><= div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0= px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div clas= s=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px= 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div di= r=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl= e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin= g-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div></blockquote><div>You're missing the= fact that you could virtualize a Linux host and run all those Docker/k8s i= nside it and just proxy access to them.</div><div>For example, I am running= =C2=A0<a href=3D"https://ushahidi.kictanet.or.ke/views/map" target=3D"_blan= k">https://ushahidi.kictanet.or.ke/views/map</a>; inside an Ubuntu VM under = bhyve. Apache on the FreeBSD host is doing the proxy.</div><div><br></div><= div>PS: I am lucky to be the 1st one to pour more fuel into your flame :-)<= /div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre= fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"l= tr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Best regards,<br>Odhiambo WASHINGTON,<br>Nairobi,= KE<br>+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223</div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(= 34,34,34)">=C2=A0In=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">an Inte= rnet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS.</span><br>"<span= style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Oh, the cruft.</span><span style=3D"font-size:1= 2.8px">",=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">egrep -v '^= $|^.*#'=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(34,34,34);color= :rgb(238,238,238);font-family:"Lucida Console",Consolas,"Cou= rier New",monospace;font-size:13.6px">=C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF</spa= n><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">=C2=A0:-)</span></div><div><span style= =3D"font-size:12.8px">[How to ask smart questions:=C2=A0</span><span style= =3D"font-size:12.8px"><a href=3D"http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questi= ons.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.h= tml</a>]</span></div></div></div></div></div> </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre= fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></d= iv> </blockquote></div></div> </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre= fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></d= iv> --000000000000279f7006105355b5--
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