Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2023 01:47:15 +0100 From: Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> To: Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info> Cc: arrowd@freebsd.org, Ronald Klop <ronald@freebsd.org>, ports <ports@freebsd.org> Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_The_installation_of_=E2=80=9CStable_Diffusion_web_UI?= =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=9D_natively_on_FreeBSD_fails_because_can=E2=80=99t_install_torch_?= =?UTF-8?Q?and_torchvision?= Message-ID: <CA%2B1FSiig8b=wKaRzncY2vpQg=PMzgiyfbQkLWz2WZbtoLaPHDA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CA%2B1FSijkc_dtK89iqsDvx4eDwQw0yyp6E8YPpatDCdxAuaY-2w@mail.gmail.com> References: <CA%2B1FSihJdXHeHL1pUD3SB6vujhG0M1-9wAqeFwjCS8r4syu7mQ@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSijaF-W8PJo9GtK0S-4BFtSBhD6FjbPu-ZJLBwQ%2Bcymoew@mail.gmail.com> <CAFYkXjn2deM--tyU9Mpi-%2BiM0ALyePhEDGt9LRY0QW8gJ-3Smg@mail.gmail.com> <CAFYkXjmzrLr2x-DKx%2BY88191fOVQ0EL6rtHiSGP4QMV4VRe=sA@mail.gmail.com> <CAFYkXjm1NayM7EMps8GiqdY5a_qCf=oFcXw9GwVOGJ6rvcG=og@mail.gmail.com> <9f14955d-1072-332e-adc7-26f6fbb80b03@FreeBSD.org> <CAFYkXj=bxE1q6zWxqs8zPjXx78KzOuiYFb1OE-_TREedwcpEyQ@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSih6zNUZiRMz9NCiSGDtm_2C%2B4JmP80HiPLac9ZVF1LKqA@mail.gmail.com> <CAFYkXj=RhX3Oor4Nss_%2BmxyRoNcrVvfDhBNQw5J1O778rLideA@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSih6pfjX1HoisgMV9w1j8x%2Bb7HScR7_eiHnMnYDM31zg5Q@mail.gmail.com> <CAFYkXjk1mH5Ji29EXz7-pDOkpigrJ4vChwV5FPKfw7z3LcWjbQ@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSijRLp48bijme0w30YB0fRjpuinzpBcjRpRMZH-hU%2B3q1w@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSijkD8XwiH=oDs3v5LmZjuNN_HKa8u88-0d1gmN-pwDRYA@mail.gmail.com> <CAFYkXjkssiMq9YfVj0ixd61WV337_r6GEai-nB3MHY2-WjyqUw@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSijkc_dtK89iqsDvx4eDwQw0yyp6E8YPpatDCdxAuaY-2w@mail.gmail.com>
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--0000000000003e546d05f1292fd8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello. Do you remember me,Tomek ? I'm the newbie that, some time ago, tried to clone and install the =E2=80=9C*Stable Diffusion web UI*=E2=80=9D on FreeBS= D,failing. Today I tried a different experiment. I tried to install the *AUTOMATIC1111 webui for stable diffusion* within my */compat/ubuntu* "distro" using the FreeBSD linuxulator. You can find the whole thread here : https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/can-the-nv-sglrun-wrapper-launch-the-pyt= hon3-script-needed-to-allow-torch-to-detect-my-gpu.87610/ Unfortunately it failed,but I feel that it could work making some modifications within the file "launch.py". Do you want to give it a look ? Maye it can be done with a minimum effort. Very thanks. Il giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 02:00 Mario Marietto < marietto2008@gmail.com> ha scritto: > ---> Most of us are in this position :-) > > From you I've learnt that everytime you end a sentence with the " :-) " > character,you are ironic. So,I should not take you seriously :-) > So I'm sure that you earn more money than me with your job :P > > ---> If you do not want to put your time and effort to do the job on your > own, also you state there is no reason to do the job for you, then who do > you expect to do the job ? > > This is the kind of argument that makes me hurt. Even because you seem to > have the ability to skip / avoid the argument that you don't like or that > you don't want to reply to. I tell this because your next argument after > that ignores it. Maybe you are confused and you don't know what's the > difference between "want to do and be able to do". I can't do that kind > of task. You have provided me with an estimate of how much effort and > skills are needed. So,please don't overestimate my abilities. I don't do > this to you. I've asked if you are able to analyze a mindset and you didn= 't > reply,so what ? I imagine that you understand that you can't do that. > So,why should I be able to make a job like the one you have described if = I > use everyday Linux , Freebsd as a hobby only ? What scares me is a belief > that goes around on the net, which I call a form of omnipotence, in which > people believe that others can do whatever they want. I've often found > people who say they haven't even gotten a computer science degree yet,but > they solve all the problems and they have a job in companies that pay the= m > very well. These are discrepancies I will never understand. What I do > know, however, is that omnipotence in clinical psychology is a way of bei= ng > that is found in many psychopathological serious frameworks. I don't expe= ct > that someone will do the job. I've asked,for my technical curiosity, who > was the major responsible for the absence of what is needed to make the > torch work : I'm not sure if it belongs more to the python or the freebsd > developers. I ask this because I don't understand what are the boundaries > of the respective areas of competence. > > ---> Switch to supported OS to get things working out of the box :-) > > I don't want things that work out of the box. If I wanted to do that, we > wouldn't be talking here, because I would be using Windows. Instead I've > been using Linux for many years and Freebsd for a few years. This means > that I accept and I can manage and solve a whole series of problems that > don't require too many skills. > > Il giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 01:26 Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info> > ha scritto: > >> Long story short: PyTorch does not work on FreeBSD at this point, use >> Linux version, or any other OS where binary packages are provided. >> >> Short story long: below :-) >> >> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 6:48 PM Mario Marietto wrote: >> > Tomek,can you repeat the steps you did when you tried to install >> pytorch,but this time using torch as Gleb Popov suggested ? very thanks. >> >> Already did, please take a look at previous answers :-) >> >> When you try to install pytorch you will get an error you should use >> torch name instead.. but there are no packages provided from FreeBSD.. >> and it does not build from the sources.. more work is necessary to >> update the pytorch in order to build and run on FreeBSD.. looks like >> weeks of work.. and this should be done by someone already familiar >> with that tool to verify its operations even if it builds.. also note >> that it has some hard dependencies on hardware acceleration that may >> not yet be available here. >> >> I would strongly use platform that is officially supported by the projec= t. >> >> Get the correct tool for the task :-) >> >> >> > Il giorno lun 21 nov 2022 alle ore 17:46 Mario Marietto ha scritto: >> >> >> >> Oh no,man,I don't think I'm. My job is totally different than yours. >> I'm a psychologist. My training has been totally different. In your >> opinion, can I make a job totally different from yours ? If it was >> true,so,ok,you can analyze the people's mindset without a problem. You c= an >> get two jobs,you can earn two incomes. Why don't you make it ? I like to >> play with linux-freebsd as a hobby. I can learn what I don't know ? >> Sure,for those tasks that are of low-medium difficulties only. So,I shou= ld >> even hire someone,spending money. You didn't understand my position. I >> don't earn enough money even to live day by day. In your opinion,can I >> spend money on that ? In addition,It works under Windows and Linux. So,t= his >> is another reason to not spend money on it. >> >> >> Most of us are in this position :-) >> >> Most of us have one or two or three projects / jobs to make a living >> and then some spare time to develop Open-Source that we need on our >> own and then we share the results "for free". Imagine how many new >> things we have to learn and how many problems we encounter / overcome >> in that process. >> >> There is no "magic company" that takes infinite amount of money from >> thin air to create working solutions based on people demands for >> free.. even governments that fund "public research" are taxing their >> own citizens.. commercial companies only develop Open-Source when they >> have valid business model and funding for it. >> >> If you do not want to put your time and effort to do the job on your >> own, also you state there is no reason to do the job for you, then who >> do you expect to do the job? >> >> Really few lucky people are "paid good full-time salary for a >> development on demand" where results are shared back to the public. >> Even if, the work must be useful for a company that invest their money >> and time to hire folks to develop new features, port software, etc. >> >> Development of the Open-Source is not free. You can use it for free. >> But there may be years of expensive work and thousands of brainz >> behind. Please understand and respect that that you are given a >> solution for free, but creating that solution is always quite >> expensive in the first place. >> >> Someone had to create the PyTorch, hire people to make it happen, then >> the results are shared "for free". This tool was developed on Linux, >> macOS and Windows, because there are packages provided. Making it work >> on FreeBSD requires work that needs to be done. You cannot expect >> anyone to do the job for you unless you care it enough to make it >> happen yourself.. or find the funding to do the work for you. Maybe >> the company that created PyTorch will be interested in porting to a >> new unsupported platform but that is highly unlikely. >> >> Most of us would like to "just focus" on what we need, but hey we all >> need to pay the bills, thus we are all in the same position of making >> choices where to invest our time for skills development and what might >> be the results :-) >> >> >> > And again : I don't work in any company,I'm not motivated enough even >> for "intellectual" reasons. >> >> Get the right tool for the task. Just use the supported OS and the >> problem is be solved :-) >> >> Most of us are simply driven by a curiosity, on how / why things work, >> how to make things work, how to create new things, and we share what >> we do with the rest of the world.. the reason we do not know something >> is quite enough challenging motivation to get the required skills.. >> but hey there are only 24 hours in a single day :-) >> >> >> > Try to forget me for a while and try to reply to my question : who has >> more responsibility in this kind of situation where there is something t= o >> do to fill the gap between the pytorch and the freebsd developers ? than= ks. >> >> With the non-technical explanations above I am sure you will now >> understand that "you are responsible to make things that you care >> about work" :-) >> >> Switch to supported OS to get things working out of the box :-) >> >> -- >> CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info >> > > > -- > Mario. > --=20 Mario. --0000000000003e546d05f1292fd8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hello.</div><div><br></div><div>Do you remember me,To= mek ? I'm the newbie that, some time ago, tried to clone and install th= e =E2=80=9C<strong>Stable Diffusion web UI</strong>=E2=80=9D on FreeBSD,fai= ling. Today I tried a different experiment.=20 I tried to install the <b>AUTOMATIC1111 webui for stable diffusion</b> with= in my <b>/compat/ubuntu</b> "distro" using the FreeBSD linuxulato= r. You can find the whole thread here :</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D= "https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/can-the-nv-sglrun-wrapper-launch-the-py= thon3-script-needed-to-allow-torch-to-detect-my-gpu.87610/">https://forums.= freebsd.org/threads/can-the-nv-sglrun-wrapper-launch-the-python3-script-nee= ded-to-allow-torch-to-detect-my-gpu.87610/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Unf= ortunately it failed,but I feel that it could work making some modification= s within the file "launch.py". Do you want to give it a look ? Ma= ye it can be done with a minimum effort. Very thanks. <br></div></div><br><= div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Il giorno m= ar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 02:00 Mario Marietto <<a href=3D"mailto:marietto= 2008@gmail.com">marietto2008@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockq= uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1p= x solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>---> Mo= st of us are in this position :-)</div><div><br></div><div>From you I'v= e learnt that everytime you end a sentence with the " :-) " chara= cter,you are ironic. So,I should not take you seriously :-) <br></div><div>= So I'm sure that you earn more money than me with your job :P <br></div= ><div><br></div><div>---> If you do not want to put your time and effort= to do the job on your own, also you state there is no reason to do the job= for you, then who do you expect to do the job ?</div><div><br></div><div>This is the kind of = argument that makes me hurt. Even because you seem to have the ability to s= kip / avoid the argument that you don't like or that you don't want= to reply to. I tell this because your next argument after that ignores it.= Maybe you are confused and you don't know what's the difference be= tween <span lang=3D"en">"want to do and be able to do". I can'= ;t do that kind of task. You</span><span lang=3D"en"> have provided me with= an estimate of how much effort and skills are needed. So,please don't = overestimate my abilities. I don't do this to you. I've asked if yo= u are able to analyze a mindset and you didn't reply,so what ? I imagin= e that you understand that you can't do that. So,why should I be able t= o make a job like the one you have described if I use everyday Linux , Free= bsd as a hobby only ?</span><span lang=3D"en"> What scares me is a belief t= hat goes around on the net, which I call a form of omnipotence, in which pe= ople believe that others can do whatever they want. I've often found pe= ople who say they haven't even gotten a computer science degree yet,but= they solve all the problems and they have a job in companies that pay them= very well.</span><span lang=3D"en"> These are discrepancies I will never u= nderstand. What I do know, however, is that omnipotence in clinical psychol= ogy is a way of being that is found in many psychopathological serious fram= eworks. I don't expect that someone will do the job. I've asked,for= </span><span lang=3D"en"> my technical curiosity, who was the major respons= ible for the absence of what is needed to make the torch work : I'm not= sure if it belongs more to the python or the freebsd developers. I ask thi= s because I don't understand w</span><span lang=3D"en">hat are the boun= daries of the respective areas of competence. <br></span></div><div><span l= ang=3D"en"><br></span><span lang=3D"en"> </span></div><div>---> Switch t= o supported OS to get things working out of the box :-)</div><div><br></div= ><div>I don't want things that work out of the box.<span lang=3D"en"> I= f I wanted to do that, we wouldn't be talking here, because I would be = using Windows. Instead I've been using Linux for many years and Freebsd= for a few years. This means that I accept and I can manage and solve a who= le series of problems that don't require too many skills.</span></div><= /div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">I= l giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 01:26 Tomek CEDRO <<a href=3D"mailto:t= omek@cedro.info" target=3D"_blank">tomek@cedro.info</a>> ha scritto:<br>= </div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b= order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Long story short: P= yTorch does not work on FreeBSD at this point, use<br> Linux version, or any other OS where binary packages are provided.<br> <br> Short story long: below :-)<br> <br> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 6:48 PM Mario Marietto wrote:<br> > Tomek,can you repeat the steps you did when you tried to install pytor= ch,but this time using torch as Gleb Popov suggested ? very thanks.<br> <br> Already did, please take a look at previous answers :-)<br> <br> When you try to install pytorch you will get an error you should use<br> torch name instead.. but there are no packages provided from FreeBSD..<br> and it does not build from the sources.. more work is necessary to<br> update the pytorch in order to build and run on FreeBSD.. looks like<br> weeks of work.. and this should be done by someone already familiar<br> with that tool to verify its operations even if it builds.. also note<br> that it has some hard dependencies on hardware acceleration that may<br> not yet be available here.<br> <br> I would strongly use platform that is officially supported by the project.<= br> <br> Get the correct tool for the task :-)<br> <br> <br> > Il giorno lun 21 nov 2022 alle ore 17:46 Mario Marietto ha scritto:<br= > >><br> >> Oh no,man,I don't think I'm. My job is totally different t= han yours. I'm a psychologist. My training has been totally different. = In your opinion, can I make a job totally different from yours ? If it was = true,so,ok,you can analyze the people's mindset without a problem. You = can get two jobs,you can earn two incomes. Why don't you make it ? I li= ke to play with linux-freebsd as a hobby. I can learn what I don't know= ? Sure,for those tasks that are of low-medium difficulties only. So,I shou= ld even hire someone,spending money. You didn't understand my position.= I don't earn enough money even to live day by day. In your opinion,can= I spend money on that ? In addition,It works under Windows and Linux. So,t= his is another reason to not spend money on it.<br> <br> <br> Most of us are in this position :-)<br> <br> Most of us have one or two or three projects / jobs to make a living<br> and then some spare time to develop Open-Source that we need on our<br> own and then we share the results "for free". Imagine how many ne= w<br> things we have to learn and how many problems we encounter / overcome<br> in that process.<br> <br> There is no "magic company" that takes infinite amount of money f= rom<br> thin air to create working solutions based on people demands for<br> free.. even governments that fund "public research" are taxing th= eir<br> own citizens.. commercial companies only develop Open-Source when they<br> have valid business model and funding for it.<br> <br> If you do not want to put your time and effort to do the job on your<br> own, also you state there is no reason to do the job for you, then who<br> do you expect to do the job?<br> <br> Really few lucky people are "paid good full-time salary for a<br> development on demand" where results are shared back to the public.<br= > Even if, the work must be useful for a company that invest their money<br> and time to hire folks to develop new features, port software, etc.<br> <br> Development of the Open-Source is not free. You can use it for free.<br> But there may be years of expensive work and thousands of brainz<br> behind. Please understand and respect that that you are given a<br> solution for free, but creating that solution is always quite<br> expensive in the first place.<br> <br> Someone had to create the PyTorch, hire people to make it happen, then<br> the results are shared "for free". This tool was developed on Lin= ux,<br> macOS and Windows, because there are packages provided. Making it work<br> on FreeBSD requires work that needs to be done. You cannot expect<br> anyone to do the job for you unless you care it enough to make it<br> happen yourself.. or find the funding to do the work for you. Maybe<br> the company that created PyTorch will be interested in porting to a<br> new unsupported platform but that is highly unlikely.<br> <br> Most of us would like to "just focus" on what we need, but hey we= all<br> need to pay the bills, thus we are all in the same position of making<br> choices where to invest our time for skills development and what might<br> be the results :-)<br> <br> <br> > And again : I don't work in any company,I'm not motivated enou= gh even for "intellectual" reasons.<br> <br> Get the right tool for the task. Just use the supported OS and the<br> problem is be solved :-)<br> <br> Most of us are simply driven by a curiosity, on how / why things work,<br> how to make things work, how to create new things, and we share what<br> we do with the rest of the world.. the reason we do not know something<br> is quite enough challenging motivation to get the required skills..<br> but hey there are only 24 hours in a single day :-)<br> <br> <br> > Try to forget me for a while and try to reply to my question : who has= more responsibility in this kind of situation where there is something to = do to fill the gap between the pytorch and the freebsd developers ? thanks.= <br> <br> With the non-technical explanations above I am sure you will now<br> understand that=C2=A0 "you are responsible to make things that you car= e<br> about work" :-)<br> <br> Switch to supported OS to get things working out of the box :-)<br> <br> -- <br> CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, <a href=3D"http://www.tomek.cedro.info" rel=3D"noreferrer"= target=3D"_blank">http://www.tomek.cedro.info</a><br>; </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr">Mario.<br>= </div> </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g= mail_signature">Mario.<br></div> --0000000000003e546d05f1292fd8--
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