Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 13:43:31 +0100 From: Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> To: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Cc: Alejandro Imass <aimass@yabarana.com>, FreeBSD virtualization <freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: If we are so opposed to Docker and Kubernetes, what is the real alternative on BSD? Message-ID: <CA%2B1FSijA6w%2BKmxuNcweH5txmKL70ObL9h1OrF_JzTt-JLkVrjA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAAdA2WNFWDUdGR6rboGVBojCx9USPi1oNOFQOw%2ByYOENUek5tQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAHieY7Q2hFoNiruGof81UuomFs5Z%2B6o186d_%2BY8w7JuoQWpitg@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WNFWDUdGR6rboGVBojCx9USPi1oNOFQOw%2ByYOENUek5tQ@mail.gmail.com>
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--000000000000fb18a206105159d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would be cool to investigate if the Linuxulator supports Kubernetes.... On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 1:40=E2=80=AFPM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.= com> wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 3:13=E2=80=AFPM Alejandro Imass <aimass@yabarana.c= om> > wrote: > >> I made the title provocative for a flame but in good faith, so hear me >> out ;-) >> >> Being a FreeBSD user for many years I perfectly understand why supportin= g >> Docker is useless outside of virtualization or just for fun. I only put = it >> in the subject to get your attention. >> >> But can the same be said of Kubernetes? In the understanding that k8s >> relies on some Linux specific things like namespaces and control groups >> etc. but we have similar utilities that could be used, so not sure why n= o >> serious effort to port k8s to BSD so far... >> >> Moreover, why is there not a serious alternative to Kubernetes-like, or = a >> FreeBSd native Kubernetes port, at this point in 2024 ? I've read commen= ts >> about Nomad but does it actually work with Bastille for example ? I mean= we >> have all the building blocks, and we invented "container" so wtf is ther= e >> no similar orchestration and auto scaling jail technology at our disposa= l >> on FBSD so far ? >> >> What am I missing? >> > > You're missing the fact that you could virtualize a Linux host and run al= l > those Docker/k8s inside it and just proxy access to them. > For example, I am running https://ushahidi.kictanet.or.ke/views/map > inside an Ubuntu VM under bhyve. Apache on the FreeBSD host is doing the > proxy. > > PS: I am lucky to be the 1st one to pour more fuel into your flame :-) > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 > In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. > "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-) > [How to ask smart questions: > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] > --=20 Mario. --000000000000fb18a206105159d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Would be cool to investigate if the Linuxulator supports K= ubernetes.... <br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cla= ss=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 1:40=E2=80=AFPM Odhiambo Washingto= n <<a href=3D"mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com">odhiambo@gmail.com</a>> wrot= e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0= .8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"l= tr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"l= tr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 3:13=E2=80=AFPM Alejandro I= mass <<a href=3D"mailto:aimass@yabarana.com" target=3D"_blank">aimass@ya= barana.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style= =3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding= -left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I made the title provocative for a flame but in= good faith, so hear me out ;-)<div><br></div><div>Being a FreeBSD user for= many years I perfectly understand why supporting Docker is useless outside= of virtualization=C2=A0or just for fun. I only put it in the subject to ge= t your attention.</div><div><br></div><div>But can the same be said of Kube= rnetes? In the understanding that k8s relies on some Linux specific things = like namespaces and control groups etc. but we have similar utilities that = could be used, so not sure why no serious effort to port k8s to BSD so far.= ..</div><div><br></div><div>Moreover, why is there not a serious alternativ= e to Kubernetes-like, or a FreeBSd native Kubernetes port, at this point in= 2024 ? I've read comments about Nomad but does it actually work with B= astille for example ? I mean we have all the building blocks, and we invent= ed "container" so wtf is there no similar orchestration and auto = scaling jail technology=C2=A0at our disposal on FBSD so far ?</div><div><br= ></div><div>What am I missing?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>= You're missing the fact that you could virtualize a Linux host and run = all those Docker/k8s inside it and just proxy access to them.</div><div>For= example, I am running=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://ushahidi.kictanet.or.ke/view= s/map" target=3D"_blank">https://ushahidi.kictanet.or.ke/views/map</a>; insi= de an Ubuntu VM under bhyve. Apache on the FreeBSD host is doing the proxy.= </div><div><br></div><div>PS: I am lucky to be the 1st one to pour more fue= l into your flame :-)</div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><span class= =3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_s= ignature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Best regards,<br>Odhiambo = WASHINGTON,<br>Nairobi,KE<br>+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223</div><div><s= pan style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">=C2=A0In=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"color= :rgb(34,34,34)">an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS= .</span><br>"<span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Oh, the cruft.</span><sp= an style=3D"font-size:12.8px">",=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:= 12.8px">egrep -v '^$|^.*#'=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"background-co= lor:rgb(34,34,34);color:rgb(238,238,238);font-family:"Lucida Console&q= uot;,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace;font-size:13.6px">=C2=AF\_(= =E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">=C2=A0:-)</span><= /div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">[How to ask smart questions:=C2= =A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><a href=3D"http://www.catb.org/~= esr/faqs/smart-questions.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.catb.org/~esr/f= aqs/smart-questions.html</a>]</span></div></div></div></div></div> </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre= fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></d= iv> --000000000000fb18a206105159d3--
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