Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2024 12:53:05 +0100 From: Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> To: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Cc: FreeBSD virtualization <freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: VNC Viewer on Windows: Unable to access VMs GUI Message-ID: <CA%2B1FSijYM5OoABy2CLc0ftbk4Nz%2BAcU%2Bj-2rYoaWqVhXTtxdiw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAAdA2WOwkC3fh5jpNAQ9GbuJjstOfJe7jqKLZ-naOY3VWtYy5A@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAAdA2WNpP0eRbgXeZsyWa3H=3VEbWWP-X-oR6TmA%2BWPWZMpFBg@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSih2U2h27=feu79MjagGomS8su6fHfB33fE%2Br1dORaU%2Bvw@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WOsw0swFr5C28siwcfjE68Vd-99gdh04b4-p-kzPmvdqQ@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSiinFDHAzrTB1mT%2B7qZ-7cH6hr4ekRJnaCt6m7piFinVyQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WOwkC3fh5jpNAQ9GbuJjstOfJe7jqKLZ-naOY3VWtYy5A@mail.gmail.com>
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--0000000000004996d40613754f74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe because some patches haven't been upstreamed to 14.0 branch. On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 12:49=E2=80=AFPM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmai= l.com> wrote: > Actually, I am trying to figure out why they do not work after upgrade > from FreeBSD 13 to 14. They used to work before. > History: > 1. My FreeBSD host lives in a Data Centre several kilometers from me. I > only access it via SSH. > 2. My FreeBSD host does not have a keyboard, mouse, or screen attached to > it. > 3. I use VNC Viewer to connect to the VMs like HOST_IP:PORT > > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 2:36=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmai= l.com> > wrote: > >> Hello my friend Odhiambo, >> >> you can try to pass your keyboard and mouse to a specific USB to pci >> adapter,using an USB splitter to attach both the input devices. Actually >> I'm using the one integrated on my nvidia gpu,RTX 2080 ti,that's : >> >> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation TU102 [GeForce RTX >> 2080 Ti] >> 02:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation TU102 High Definition Audio >> Controller >> *02:00.2 USB controller: NVIDIA Corporation TU102 USB 3.1 Host Controlle= r* >> 02:00.3 Serial bus controller: NVIDIA Corporation TU102 USB Type-C UCSI >> Controller >> >> For sure you will add the PCI address of the board between your bhyve >> parameters,for example in my case : >> >> -s 8:2,passthru,2/0/2 \ >> >> A single hardware solution would be a pcie riser which splits the pcie >> port. >> >> >> I've asked for a good USB controller some time ago : >> >> >> >> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/im-looking-for-a-good-usb-controller-= 3-0-4-ports-self-powered-compatible-with-freebsd.83323/ >> >> >> If it=E2=80=99s only mouse and keyboard you could use bhyves virtio-inpu= t >> emulation. >> >> >> Corvin included virtio-input support in his github. >> >> >> He committed virtio-input to 13.2 and 14.0 upstream. >> >> >> From =E2=80=9Cman bhyve=E2=80=9D >> >> >> >> https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Dbhyve&apropos=3D0&sektion=3D= 8&manpath=3DFreeBSD+14.0-CURRENT&arch=3Ddefault&format=3Dhtml >> ): >> >> >> Virtio input device backends: >> >> >> >> */dev/input/eventX* >> >> Send input events of */dev/input/eventX* to >> guest >> >> by VirtIO Input Interface. >> >> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 11:39=E2=80=AFAM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@g= mail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Even with this, my mouse pointer doesn't work: >>> >>> # Linux Guest >>> bhyve -S -c sockets=3D2,cores=3D2,threads=3D2 -m 4G -w -H -A \ >>> -s 0,hostbridge \ >>> -s 3,ahci-cd,/usr/local/bhyve-vms/.iso/debian-12.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso \ >>> -s 4,virtio-blk,/usr/local/bhyve-vms/Debian/debian.img \ >>> -s 5,virtio-net,tap4 \ >>> -s 8,hda,play=3D/dev/dsp,rec=3D/dev/dsp \ >>> -s 29,fbuf,tcp=3D0.0.0.0:5905,w=3D1024,h=3D768 \ >>> -s 30,xhci,tablet \ >>> -s 31,lpc -l com1,stdio \ >>> -l bootrom,/usr/local/share/uefi-firmware/BHYVE_UEFI.fd \ >>> debian >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 3:47=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gm= ail.com >>> <marietto2008@gmailcom>> wrote: >>> >>>> -s 3,fbuf,tcp=3D0.0.0.0:59 <http://0.0.0.0:5915>*15*,w=3D1600,h=3D950 = \ >>>> -s 10,virtio-net,tap*15* \ >>>> *vm15* < /dev/null & sleep 2 && vncviewer *0:15* >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 1:19=E2=80=AFPM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@= gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hellos, >>>>> >>>>> When I was still on FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE I was able to access some >>>>> Linux VMs GUI using VNC Viewer on my Windows PC. >>>>> After I upgraded to 14-RELEASE, this changed: I can connect to the >>>>> VMs, but the GUI desktop is frozen. The mouse cursor isn't moving at = all >>>>> and the Desktop doesn't load like before. >>>>> I start all my VMs the same way: >>>>> >>>>> bhyve -c N -m NG -w -H \ >>>>> -s 0,hostbridge \ >>>>> -s 4,virtio-blk,/usr/local/bhyve-vms/DISTRONAME/distroname.img \ >>>>> -s 5,virtio-net,tapN \ >>>>> -s 8,hda,play=3D/dev/dsp,rec=3D/dev/dsp \ >>>>> -s 29,fbuf,tcp=3D0.0.0.0:59XX,w=3D1680,h=3D1050 \ >>>>> -s 30,xhci,tablet \ >>>>> -s 31,lpc -l com1,stdio \ >>>>> -l bootrom,/usr/local/share/uefi-firmware/BHYVE_UEFI.fd \ >>>>> distroname >>>>> >>>>> I would then connect to a.b.c.d:59xx using VNC Viewer and I'd get the >>>>> Linux/Windows Desktop. >>>>> Not anymore! >>>>> >>>>> Is there something I need to do to fix the issue? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>>>> Nairobi,KE >>>>> +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 >>>>> In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. >>>>> "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-) >>>>> [How to ask smart questions: >>>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mario. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>> Nairobi,KE >>> +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 >>> In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. >>> "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-) >>> [How to ask smart questions: >>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mario. >> > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 > In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. > "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-) > [How to ask smart questions: > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] > --=20 Mario. --0000000000004996d40613754f74 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Maybe because some patches haven't been upstreamed to = 14.0 branch.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class= =3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 12:49=E2=80=AFPM Odhiambo Washingto= n <<a href=3D"mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">odhiambo@gmai= l.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma= rgin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:= 1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Actually, I am trying to figure out why they do = not work after upgrade from FreeBSD 13 to 14. They used to work before.</di= v><div>History:</div><div>1. My FreeBSD host lives in a Data Centre several= kilometers from me. I only access it via SSH.</div><div>2. My FreeBSD host= does not have a keyboard, mouse, or screen attached to it.</div><div>3. I = use VNC Viewer to connect to the VMs like HOST_IP:PORT</div><div><br></div>= <br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue= , Mar 12, 2024 at 2:36=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <<a href=3D"mailto:mari= etto2008@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">marietto2008@gmail.com</a>> wrote:= <br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8= ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr= "><div>Hello my friend Odhiambo,</div><div><br></div><div>you can try to pa= ss your keyboard and mouse to a specific USB to pci adapter,using an USB sp= litter to attach both the input devices. Actually I'm using the one int= egrated on my nvidia gpu,RTX 2080 ti,that's :<br></div><div><br></div><= div>02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation TU102 [GeForce RT= X 2080 Ti]<br>02:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation TU102 High Definitio= n Audio Controller<br><b>02:00.2 USB controller: NVIDIA Corporation TU102 U= SB 3.1 Host Controller</b><br>02:00.3 Serial bus controller: NVIDIA Corpora= tion TU102 USB Type-C UCSI Controller</div><div><div><br></div><div>For sur= e you will add the PCI address of the board between your bhyve parameters,f= or example in my case :</div><div><br></div></div><div>-s 8:2,passthru,2/0/= 2 \</div><div><br></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">A single hardware solution w= ould be a pcie riser which splits the pcie port.</p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I've asked for a = good USB controller some time ago :<br></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://fo= rums.freebsd.org/threads/im-looking-for-a-good-usb-controller-3-0-4-ports-s= elf-powered-compatible-with-freebsd.83323/" target=3D"_blank">https://forum= s.freebsd.org/threads/im-looking-for-a-good-usb-controller-3-0-4-ports-self= -powered-compatible-with-freebsd.83323/</a></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"></p><p class=3D"MsoNo= rmal"></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">If it=E2=80=99s only mouse and keyboard you could us= e bhyves virtio-input emulation.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Corvin included virtio-input support in his github.<= /p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">He committed virtio-input to 13.2 and 14.0 upstream.= </p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">From =E2=80=9Cman bhyve=E2=80=9D <br></p><p class=3D= "MsoNormal"><br></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www.freebsd.o= rg/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Dbhyve&apropos=3D0&sektion=3D8&manpath=3D= FreeBSD+14.0-CURRENT&arch=3Ddefault&format=3Dhtml" target=3D"_blank= ">https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Dbhyve&apropos=3D0&sek= tion=3D8&manpath=3DFreeBSD+14.0-CURRENT&arch=3Ddefault&format= =3Dhtml</a>):</p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:= 12pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br></span></p><p cla= ss=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;f= ont-family:"Courier New";color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Virtio=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 input device backends:</span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:= 12pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><= /span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:= 12pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span><i><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Courier New"= ;color:green">/dev/input/eventX</span></i><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;fon= t-family:"Courier New";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:= 12pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Send input=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 events of </span><i><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Courier New"= ;color:green">/dev/input/eventX</span></i><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;fon= t-family:"Courier New";color:black"> to guest<u></u><u></u></span= ></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:= 12pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 by=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 VirtIO Inp= ut Interface.</span></p></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"lt= r" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 11:39=E2=80=AFAM Odhiambo W= ashington <<a href=3D"mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">odhia= mbo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty= le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi= ng-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div>Even with thi= s, my mouse pointer doesn't work:</div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">= # Linux Guest<br>bhyve -S -c sockets=3D2,cores=3D2,threads=3D2 -m 4G -w -H = -A \<br>-s 0,hostbridge \<br>-s 3,ahci-cd,/usr/local/bhyve-vms/.iso/debian-= 12.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso \<br>-s 4,virtio-blk,/usr/local/bhyve-vms/Debian/deb= ian.img \<br>-s 5,virtio-net,tap4 \<br>-s 8,hda,play=3D/dev/dsp,rec=3D/dev/= dsp \<br>-s 29,fbuf,tcp=3D<a href=3D"http://0.0.0.0:5905" target=3D"_blank"= >0.0.0.0:5905</a>,w=3D1024,h=3D768 \<br>-s 30,xhci,tablet \<br>-s 31,lpc -l= com1,stdio \<br>-l bootrom,/usr/local/share/uefi-firmware/BHYVE_UEFI.fd \<= br>debian<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><b= r><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, = Feb 14, 2024 at 3:47=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <<a href=3D"mailto:mariet= to2008@gmailcom" target=3D"_blank">marietto2008@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br= ></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;= border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><= div><span style=3D"font-family:monospace">-s 3,fbuf,tcp=3D<a href=3D"http:/= /0.0.0.0:5915" target=3D"_blank">0.0.0.0:59</a><b>15</b>,w=3D1600,h=3D950 \= </span></div><div><div><span style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span style=3D= "color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">-s 10,virtio-net,tap<b= >15</b> \</span></span></div><span style=3D"font-family:monospace"><b>vm15<= /b> < /dev/null & sleep 2 && vncviewer <b>0:15</b></span></d= iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On = Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 1:19=E2=80=AFPM Odhiambo Washington <<a href=3D"mai= lto:odhiambo@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">odhiambo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:= <br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8= ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr= ">Hellos,<div><br></div><div>When I was still on FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE I was= able to access some Linux VMs GUI using=C2=A0VNC Viewer on my Windows PC.<= /div><div>After I upgraded to 14-RELEASE, this changed: I can connect to th= e VMs, but the GUI desktop is frozen. The mouse cursor isn't moving at = all and the Desktop doesn't load like before.</div><div>I start all my = VMs the same way:</div><div><br></div><div>bhyve -c N -m NG -w -H \<br>-s 0= ,hostbridge \<br>-s 4,virtio-blk,/usr/local/bhyve-vms/DISTRONAME/distroname= .img \<br>-s 5,virtio-net,tapN \<br>-s 8,hda,play=3D/dev/dsp,rec=3D/dev/dsp= \<br>-s 29,fbuf,tcp=3D0.0.0.0:59XX,w=3D1680,h=3D1050 \<br>-s 30,xhci,table= t \<br>-s 31,lpc -l com1,stdio \<br>-l bootrom,/usr/local/share/uefi-firmwa= re/BHYVE_UEFI.fd \<br>distroname</div><div><br></div><div>I would then conn= ect to a.b.c.d:59xx using VNC Viewer and I'd get the Linux/Windows Desk= top.</div><div>Not anymore!</div><div><br clear=3D"all"><div>Is there somet= hing I need to do to fix the=C2=A0issue?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div= ><span class=3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" clas= s=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Best regards,<= br>Odhiambo WASHINGTON,<br>Nairobi,KE<br>+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223<= /div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">=C2=A0In=C2=A0</span><span st= yle=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a c= onstant: DNS.</span><br>"<span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Oh, the cruf= t.</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">",=C2=A0</span><span style= =3D"font-size:12.8px">egrep -v '^$|^.*#'=C2=A0</span><span style=3D= "background-color:rgb(34,34,34);color:rgb(238,238,238);font-family:"Lu= cida Console",Consolas,"Courier New",monospace;font-size:13.= 6px">=C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">=C2= =A0:-)</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">[How to ask smart = questions:=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><a href=3D"http://w= ww.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ca= tb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html</a>]</span></div></div></div></div></= div></div> </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre= fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></d= iv></div> </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div><span class=3D"gmail_si= gnature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><d= iv dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Best regards,<br>Odhiambo WASHINGTON,<= br>Nairobi,KE<br>+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223</div><div><span style=3D= "color:rgb(34,34,34)">=C2=A0In=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,3= 4)">an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS.</span><br>= "<span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Oh, the cruft.</span><span style=3D"= font-size:12.8px">",=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">egre= p -v '^$|^.*#'=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(34,3= 4,34);color:rgb(238,238,238);font-family:"Lucida Console",Consola= s,"Courier New",monospace;font-size:13.6px">=C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/= =C2=AF</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">=C2=A0:-)</span></div><div><s= pan style=3D"font-size:12.8px">[How to ask smart questions:=C2=A0</span><sp= an style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><a href=3D"http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smar= t-questions.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-que= stions.html</a>]</span></div></div></div></div></div> </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre= fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></d= iv> </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div><span class=3D"gmail_si= gnature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><d= iv dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Best regards,<br>Odhiambo WASHINGTON,<= br>Nairobi,KE<br>+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223</div><div><span style=3D= "color:rgb(34,34,34)">=C2=A0In=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,3= 4)">an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS.</span><br>= "<span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Oh, the cruft.</span><span style=3D"= font-size:12.8px">",=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">egre= p -v '^$|^.*#'=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(34,3= 4,34);color:rgb(238,238,238);font-family:"Lucida Console",Consola= s,"Courier New",monospace;font-size:13.6px">=C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/= =C2=AF</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">=C2=A0:-)</span></div><div><s= pan style=3D"font-size:12.8px">[How to ask smart questions:=C2=A0</span><sp= an style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><a href=3D"http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smar= t-questions.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-que= stions.html</a>]</span></div></div></div></div></div> </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre= fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></d= iv> --0000000000004996d40613754f74--
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