Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 17:57:46 -0700 From: Russell Haley <russ.haley@gmail.com> To: Aaron Havens <aaron@toomanymiles.net> Cc: Mathieu Prevot <mathieu.prevot@gmail.com>, Freebsd-mono <freebsd-mono@freebsd.org>, romain@freebsd.org Subject: Re: maintaining ports and mono Message-ID: <CABx9NuQa1MvPyNdEqqNcsra3ugsLTHxTP%2B4WT%2Bs=MFLNFcOBeA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAH8nK=g0jtgO7BCW2JkEUiE-rcEWajeWyocaQU8_uBj4p5EBkA@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAP8Xrcs7DTM-y2QqZY3sTRX2GzRKpOGOSHK%2BZXTkY09Txq6YoQ@mail.gmail.com> <CABx9NuTr0UqTUKe8_yY45F0eHhhNhE8xarqGcvbukxSU5ETMCg@mail.gmail.com> <CAP8XrcttkJ0AOPW0L1OfdYrceryaRQZE4knhgF-8QhFP-=x3vQ@mail.gmail.com> <5763A1F6.9090501@gmail.com> <CAP8XrcuNNGrEP4qMi%2B2tps02b3VC32Qp-4kGCYgBUGC%2BVQ7Jaw@mail.gmail.com> <CAH8nK=g0jtgO7BCW2JkEUiE-rcEWajeWyocaQU8_uBj4p5EBkA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Aaron Havens <aaron@toomanymiles.net> wrote: > Has any work started on a port for the .NET Core? I have looked at it and > worked on getting the build instructions updated in GitHub but ran out of > time. If someone is working on it I would be willing to see what they were > working on and if I could chip in. I had .net Core working many many moons ago but it required that you build binaries (runtime?) on a Windows machine and then transfer them over. I will check if I still have notes. > > Aaron > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Mathieu Prevot <mathieu.prevot@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> 2016-06-17 9:08 GMT+02:00 Ivan Radovanovic <radovanovic@gmail.com>: >> >> > On 06/16/2016 21:53, Mathieu Prevot napisa: >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> 2016-06-16 20:08 GMT+02:00 Russell Haley <russ.haley@gmail.com >> >> <mailto:russ.haley@gmail.com>>: >> >> >> >> Hi Mathieu, >> >> >> >> I have expressed interest in helping maintain mono on FreeBSD but >> have >> >> moved away due to lack of interest and support. Currently someone >> has >> >> ported more recent versions of Mono (Romain I think?), but >> MonoDevelop >> >> is somewhat out of date. I had patches to build MonoDevelop with >> >> Rolsyn but couldn't get the MonoDevelop github repos to work with >> >> FreeBSD ports so I gave up after multiple requests for help on both >> >> this mailing list and the FreeBSD forum. >> >> >> >> Other .Net things I'd like to see: >> >> - Ivan had some patches for kqueue issues, he passed them on to me >> but >> >> again, I have moved away from .net on FreeBSD >> >> - I would like to see a port of Pinta on FreeBSD >> >> (https://pinta-project.com/pintaproject/pinta/) because gimp makes >> me >> >> want to throw my computer >> >> - I once built and ran .Net Core and would like to see if that has >> >> progressed, perhaps put together a FreeBSD port for it. The ultimate >> >> goal in my mind is to update MonoDevelop to use .net Core >> >> - Porting and testing asp.net <http://asp.net>; and MVC to FreeBSD >> >> - Testing the latest mono on FreeBSD CURRENT for ARM >> >> >> >> I had also at one point seen a possible business model helping >> clients >> >> get their .net software off of Windows to save $$$ and create >> >> resalable appliances, but that idea died on the vine. >> >> >> >> Ultimately, there are so many development options on FreeBSD, I >> moved >> >> to something that was better supported (lua), but I really really >> miss >> >> that big beautiful framework. I guess there's always Java, or >> Python, >> >> or Ruby... :( >> >> >> >> >> >> There are many points here, from .NET to IDEs and business. >> >> >> >> IMHO having .NET framework work is good, APS.NET <http://APS.NET>; too. >> >> Ultimately, having WPF too would be amazing. I'm planing to probe this >> >> with the WPF team. >> >> There is request on UserVoice (Microsoft interface for feedback and >> >> features requests) of opening WPF sources, which is possible. >> >> Microsoft recent policy is to make Windows the #1 platform for software >> >> development, and have GNU tools work natively in Windows. >> >> Their Azure platform now supports FreeBSD 10.3 VM. >> >> Despite everything, they will want probably to make sure Windows still >> >> have competitive advantages, making the WPF and ASP.net not that likely >> >> to be available/ported/opened. >> >> >> >> Historically and to my knowledge, GNU/Linux was used for desktop at >> >> Google, and FreeBSD rather for servers. Having FreeBSD a stronger dev >> >> platform is questionable and might require a lot of energy/time/effort >> >> from the community. >> >> >> >> Have you tried java/javaFX/openGL ? >> >> >> >> M >> >> >> >> >> > Hi Mathieu, >> > >> > IMHO opinion there is no interest to have Mono running properly on >> FreeBSD >> > from either side. Original mono developers are even proud to say they >> don't >> > care about having it run on *BSD, >> > >> >> Do you have reference to such thing ? list archive ? I think it might be >> right in the past, the teams might have changed, and the mindset might have >> changed, and ultimately, does it matter ? >> >> >> > and I guess based on amount of feedback you got on this list you can draw >> > your own conclusions about enthusiasm coming from this side. >> > >> >> I understand this too. However, people are not necessarily fast and >> everything. People have also their own projects, preoccupations, >> availability / will / time. I give few days to get the temperature of the >> community. >> >> My mindset is not: do we need this, but rather: what can we do with this ? >> and: which opportunities does this brings to FreeBSD ? >> And then: what am I willing to give in term of time/energy for this ? >> >> For enterprise purposes, often productivity comes first, and results, >> warranties comes first, and in that case, people are willing to pay (say >> Microsoft) to have a certain level of productivity and results. >> >> Then there is their policy: do we spend more money on dev man power, or >> more in proprietary software, or hardware ? just policy, IMO. >> >> >> > We at company still have some production ASP.Net applications we are >> > running using mono/FreeBSD with some patches I wrote both for mono and >> > their fastcgi server, but AFAIK those never found their way either to >> > FreeBSD port or main mono repository, and I really don't have enough time >> > to spend it convincing people to use free source I wrote - what is >> > interesting web server patches fix some OS independent bugs with socket >> > handling they have, but maybe they thought they were also FreeBSD related >> > :-) >> > >> >> Sounds really good :) Do you have an idea of the amount of lines / hours to >> do such thing ? I keep all that in mind ! I keep probing and will come back >> to you. Many thanks for proposing this. >> >> >> > I think there is also problem with attitude with mono guys - it seems >> > there is perception (as you put it in "GNU/Linux was used for desktop at >> > Google, and FreeBSD rather for servers") that there is no need to >> actually >> > have .Net running on FreeBSD, but according to my experience serious use >> of >> > .Net is in web applications, and that is server side usage. >> > >> >> I see. Again, do you have archives about this ? when this happened ? >> If Microsoft is interested, they might influence the Mono community : they >> sponsor them. >> >> >> > Anyway, in company we are not using C# for any new development (we >> > switched back to C++), but we stayed with FreeBSD (I guess for us the >> only >> > way to have stable mono on FreeBSD would be to fork entire project, and >> > that would require manpower we don't have at the moment). >> > >> >> C# have many serious advantages such as linq, tasks, GC, the VM and many >> things of a modern object oriented language. To me it's one of the most >> pleasant language to work with, as a programmer. Then yes, the ecosystem >> matters first. >> >> Many thanks for the opinion and details. >> >> Cheers >> M >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-mono@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mono >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mono-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mono@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mono > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mono-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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