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Date:      Wed, 20 Dec 2017 19:14:40 +0000
From:      Johannes Lundberg <johalun0@gmail.com>
To:        Yuri <yuri@rawbw.com>
Cc:        FreeBSD <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Vote: making wayland=on default
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Hi Yuri

To be clear, we're not transitioning to anything, we're simply adding
more options. Compare it to adding a new window manager for X, it
doesn't mean you have to stop using the existing ones...


On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 5:39 PM, Yuri <yuri@rawbw.com> wrote:
> On 12/20/17 01:20, Johannes Lundberg wrote:
>>
>> For any Desktop user (as well as embedded devices
>> like IVI-systems and whatnot), Wayland is the future. There's no
>> escaping that.
>
>
> Over the history of its development, Wayland could never clearly answer the
> question "What are the benefits of Wayland for the end user?".
> Additionally, they always advocated the removal of features like networked
> connections, window manager features.
>
> It appears that this is the case of fixing of something (xorg) that
> wasn't/isn't broken in the first place. And if it is considered broken, then
> how, in which way?
>
> But you are right, it is a reality that Wayand devs had enough horsepower to
> eventually, after many years, make it and now impose it on everybody, and
> force it to be a future reality.
>
> There are a lot of things that need to be verified that they work: x11vnc,
> the ability to connect to a display remotely, every window manager should
> work with it, ex. xfce4, dwm.
>
> People should be asking the question "What's the benefit of the transition
> to X?". The answer should include the functional benefits to users, not just
> "We need to switch to something called X." What new features or improvements
> will users actually see?
>
>
> Just my 2c.
> Yuri
>



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