Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:59:08 -0800 From: Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com> To: Eygene Ryabinkin <rea@freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-rc@freebsd.org, Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org>, d@delphij.net Subject: Re: Annoying ERROR: 'wlan0' is not a DHCP-enabled interface Message-ID: <CAGH67wRBBtKm5K8iNPpB2_JGwFnxL4Gif1gMxR0sPe=bro4Jdw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <AqqRJb8/Ld6FNBZt5zDrNtSYTj8@YnbH/K3/Y1Z96RV2jTofcGuSPJI> References: <4EB6693F.2020102@delphij.net> <4EB71580.20507@FreeBSD.org> <4EB72290.8030104@delphij.net> <Snqh5lmyPm2YvkGpN1vSomauXwU@g5jH1yj%2BTnAiSdLOy3xs5Jutvhc> <4EC6C247.6040807@delphij.net> <CAGH67wRGqkJByQyOWTYwzCE5rHtSQVYMQq=AA_r9QX5GM0A4PA@mail.gmail.com> <AqqRJb8/Ld6FNBZt5zDrNtSYTj8@YnbH/K3/Y1Z96RV2jTofcGuSPJI>
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2011/11/18 Eygene Ryabinkin <rea@freebsd.org>:
> Garrett, good day.
>
> Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:42:27PM -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Xin LI <delphij@delphij.net> wrote:
>> > Is there any counter reasoning about "having an interface marked as
>> > non-DHCP is not an error"? I'm still not convinced with the benefit
>> > of having it show an error message.
>>
>> +1. I consider this to be debug noise.
>
> Well, what about the silent output from 'cc -o test test.c' when
> you have no file test.c or the compiler is absent? It is the same
> thing (as I see it) and in this case will you expect that the binary
> 'test' will be compiled and ready for use or not? I will, but this
> can be my personal delusion.
This is different because you personally are running cc to do a
particular task. This noise is emitted unnecessarily by automated
tasks which are in the default system, which is more annoying for
standard users, like me.
There's a reason why I also do this in every system I run:
$ svn diff etc/syslog.conf
Index: etc/syslog.conf
===================================================================
--- etc/syslog.conf (revision 227492)
+++ etc/syslog.conf (working copy)
@@ -5,7 +5,7 @@
# separators. If you are sharing this file between systems, you
# may want to use only tabs as field separators here.
# Consult the syslog.conf(5) manpage.
-*.err;kern.warning;auth.notice;mail.crit /dev/console
+#*.err;kern.warning;auth.notice;mail.crit /dev/console
*.notice;authpriv.none;kern.debug;lpr.info;mail.crit;news.err
/var/log/messages
security.* /var/log/security
auth.info;authpriv.info /var/log/auth.log
The point is that the defaults should match what people expect in
an operating system -- otherwise FreeBSD will be seen as an elitist
hipster OS.
Thanks,
-Garrett
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