Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:40:33 -0500 From: Zhihao Yuan <lichray@gmail.com> To: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@freebsd.org> Cc: FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, Lorenzo Cogotti <miciamail@hotmail.it> Subject: Re: Providing a default graphical environment on FreeBSD Message-ID: <CAGsORuD--BKCVB5wHEw5Q5SedhJ0reFVJtC3628tJAncbmgr8Q@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <63226.1347899311@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <CAGsORuB4yd8RKNLRWmcTx16iDOHWJkD1rnyArb98NwN%2BpwvPHA@mail.gmail.com> <63226.1347899311@critter.freebsd.dk>
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On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@freebsd.org> wrote: > In message <CAGsORuB4yd8RKNLRWmcTx16iDOHWJkD1rnyArb98NwN+pwvPHA@mail.gmail.com> > , Zhihao Yuan writes: >>On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@freebsd.org> wrote: > >>> My suggest was 100% serious: Assume X11 _is_ the graphical >>> environment, pick a toolkit which is written to work with >>> any window manager, which all good toolkits are, and move on. >> >>You can "assume", but you can't deny that X11 is not GUI at all, and >>twm is not a modern GUI either. > > You are confusing "window manager" and "graphical user interface", > one is layered on the other, your homework is to figure out which. GUI is a concept. People can use WM or DE as their GUIs. X11 is not usable from a user's point of view, so it's out of the question. So far, your statement "Assume X11 _is_ the graphical environment" is already nonsense. And then, a modern GUI should take care of Wifi, automount, and many things can't be done with a single WM. That's why I said "twm is not a modern GUI". So far, any questions? > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 > phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 > FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe > Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. -- Zhihao Yuan, nickname lichray The best way to predict the future is to invent it. ___________________________________________________ 4BSD -- http://4bsd.biz/
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