Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:59:52 -0500 From: Aaron Havens <aaron@toomanymiles.net> To: Mathieu Prevot <mathieu.prevot@gmail.com> Cc: Ivan Radovanovic <radovanovic@gmail.com>, Freebsd-mono <freebsd-mono@freebsd.org>, romain@freebsd.org Subject: Re: maintaining ports and mono Message-ID: <CAH8nK=g0jtgO7BCW2JkEUiE-rcEWajeWyocaQU8_uBj4p5EBkA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAP8XrcuNNGrEP4qMi%2B2tps02b3VC32Qp-4kGCYgBUGC%2BVQ7Jaw@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAP8Xrcs7DTM-y2QqZY3sTRX2GzRKpOGOSHK%2BZXTkY09Txq6YoQ@mail.gmail.com> <CABx9NuTr0UqTUKe8_yY45F0eHhhNhE8xarqGcvbukxSU5ETMCg@mail.gmail.com> <CAP8XrcttkJ0AOPW0L1OfdYrceryaRQZE4knhgF-8QhFP-=x3vQ@mail.gmail.com> <5763A1F6.9090501@gmail.com> <CAP8XrcuNNGrEP4qMi%2B2tps02b3VC32Qp-4kGCYgBUGC%2BVQ7Jaw@mail.gmail.com>
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Has any work started on a port for the .NET Core? I have looked at it and worked on getting the build instructions updated in GitHub but ran out of time. If someone is working on it I would be willing to see what they were working on and if I could chip in. Aaron On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Mathieu Prevot <mathieu.prevot@gmail.com> wrote: > 2016-06-17 9:08 GMT+02:00 Ivan Radovanovic <radovanovic@gmail.com>: > > > On 06/16/2016 21:53, Mathieu Prevot napisa: > > > >> > >> > >> 2016-06-16 20:08 GMT+02:00 Russell Haley <russ.haley@gmail.com > >> <mailto:russ.haley@gmail.com>>: > >> > >> Hi Mathieu, > >> > >> I have expressed interest in helping maintain mono on FreeBSD but > have > >> moved away due to lack of interest and support. Currently someone > has > >> ported more recent versions of Mono (Romain I think?), but > MonoDevelop > >> is somewhat out of date. I had patches to build MonoDevelop with > >> Rolsyn but couldn't get the MonoDevelop github repos to work with > >> FreeBSD ports so I gave up after multiple requests for help on both > >> this mailing list and the FreeBSD forum. > >> > >> Other .Net things I'd like to see: > >> - Ivan had some patches for kqueue issues, he passed them on to me > but > >> again, I have moved away from .net on FreeBSD > >> - I would like to see a port of Pinta on FreeBSD > >> (https://pinta-project.com/pintaproject/pinta/) because gimp makes > me > >> want to throw my computer > >> - I once built and ran .Net Core and would like to see if that has > >> progressed, perhaps put together a FreeBSD port for it. The ultimate > >> goal in my mind is to update MonoDevelop to use .net Core > >> - Porting and testing asp.net <http://asp.net>; and MVC to FreeBSD > >> - Testing the latest mono on FreeBSD CURRENT for ARM > >> > >> I had also at one point seen a possible business model helping > clients > >> get their .net software off of Windows to save $$$ and create > >> resalable appliances, but that idea died on the vine. > >> > >> Ultimately, there are so many development options on FreeBSD, I > moved > >> to something that was better supported (lua), but I really really > miss > >> that big beautiful framework. I guess there's always Java, or > Python, > >> or Ruby... :( > >> > >> > >> There are many points here, from .NET to IDEs and business. > >> > >> IMHO having .NET framework work is good, APS.NET <http://APS.NET>; too. > >> Ultimately, having WPF too would be amazing. I'm planing to probe this > >> with the WPF team. > >> There is request on UserVoice (Microsoft interface for feedback and > >> features requests) of opening WPF sources, which is possible. > >> Microsoft recent policy is to make Windows the #1 platform for software > >> development, and have GNU tools work natively in Windows. > >> Their Azure platform now supports FreeBSD 10.3 VM. > >> Despite everything, they will want probably to make sure Windows still > >> have competitive advantages, making the WPF and ASP.net not that likely > >> to be available/ported/opened. > >> > >> Historically and to my knowledge, GNU/Linux was used for desktop at > >> Google, and FreeBSD rather for servers. Having FreeBSD a stronger dev > >> platform is questionable and might require a lot of energy/time/effort > >> from the community. > >> > >> Have you tried java/javaFX/openGL ? > >> > >> M > >> > >> > > Hi Mathieu, > > > > IMHO opinion there is no interest to have Mono running properly on > FreeBSD > > from either side. Original mono developers are even proud to say they > don't > > care about having it run on *BSD, > > > > Do you have reference to such thing ? list archive ? I think it might be > right in the past, the teams might have changed, and the mindset might have > changed, and ultimately, does it matter ? > > > > and I guess based on amount of feedback you got on this list you can draw > > your own conclusions about enthusiasm coming from this side. > > > > I understand this too. However, people are not necessarily fast and > everything. People have also their own projects, preoccupations, > availability / will / time. I give few days to get the temperature of the > community. > > My mindset is not: do we need this, but rather: what can we do with this ? > and: which opportunities does this brings to FreeBSD ? > And then: what am I willing to give in term of time/energy for this ? > > For enterprise purposes, often productivity comes first, and results, > warranties comes first, and in that case, people are willing to pay (say > Microsoft) to have a certain level of productivity and results. > > Then there is their policy: do we spend more money on dev man power, or > more in proprietary software, or hardware ? just policy, IMO. > > > > We at company still have some production ASP.Net applications we are > > running using mono/FreeBSD with some patches I wrote both for mono and > > their fastcgi server, but AFAIK those never found their way either to > > FreeBSD port or main mono repository, and I really don't have enough time > > to spend it convincing people to use free source I wrote - what is > > interesting web server patches fix some OS independent bugs with socket > > handling they have, but maybe they thought they were also FreeBSD related > > :-) > > > > Sounds really good :) Do you have an idea of the amount of lines / hours to > do such thing ? I keep all that in mind ! I keep probing and will come back > to you. Many thanks for proposing this. > > > > I think there is also problem with attitude with mono guys - it seems > > there is perception (as you put it in "GNU/Linux was used for desktop at > > Google, and FreeBSD rather for servers") that there is no need to > actually > > have .Net running on FreeBSD, but according to my experience serious use > of > > .Net is in web applications, and that is server side usage. > > > > I see. Again, do you have archives about this ? when this happened ? > If Microsoft is interested, they might influence the Mono community : they > sponsor them. > > > > Anyway, in company we are not using C# for any new development (we > > switched back to C++), but we stayed with FreeBSD (I guess for us the > only > > way to have stable mono on FreeBSD would be to fork entire project, and > > that would require manpower we don't have at the moment). > > > > C# have many serious advantages such as linq, tasks, GC, the VM and many > things of a modern object oriented language. To me it's one of the most > pleasant language to work with, as a programmer. Then yes, the ecosystem > matters first. > > Many thanks for the opinion and details. > > Cheers > M > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mono@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mono > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mono-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >
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