Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:47:38 +0100 From: Alejandro Imass <aimass@yabarana.com> To: Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> Cc: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>, FreeBSD virtualization <freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: If we are so opposed to Docker and Kubernetes, what is the real alternative on BSD? Message-ID: <CAHieY7SFHAEQVdu75ffdpghXZzsxZqMXaKtxUFS0ZUYLM14yDA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CA%2B1FSijA6w%2BKmxuNcweH5txmKL70ObL9h1OrF_JzTt-JLkVrjA@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAHieY7Q2hFoNiruGof81UuomFs5Z%2B6o186d_%2BY8w7JuoQWpitg@mail.gmail.com> <CAAdA2WNFWDUdGR6rboGVBojCx9USPi1oNOFQOw%2ByYOENUek5tQ@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSijA6w%2BKmxuNcweH5txmKL70ObL9h1OrF_JzTt-JLkVrjA@mail.gmail.com>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 1:44 PM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote: > Would be cool to investigate if the Linuxulator supports Kubernetes.... > > I understand that Linux native container can already run on BSD with Linuxulator layer. But I would rather traduce Dockerfile to Bastillefile of CBSDFile and go with native code. IMO, the issue is not so much the container tech, we invented that in the first place. The issue is not having a decent orchestrator / autoscaling service. Although I think that runj is the correct starting point: https://github.com/samuelkarp/runj Although I am not a k8s expert not sure if runj counts as an alternative to k8s or more like container runtime for k8s. Would be nice that actual k8s experts could chime in here ... > On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 1:40 PM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 3:13 PM Alejandro Imass <aimass@yabarana.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> ... > You're missing the fact that you could virtualize a Linux host and run all >> those Docker/k8s inside it and just proxy access to them. >> For example, I am running https://ushahidi.kictanet.or.ke/views/map >> inside an Ubuntu VM under bhyve. Apache on the FreeBSD host is doing the >> proxy. >> >> PS: I am lucky to be the 1st one to pour more fuel into your flame :-) >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 >> In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. >> "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) >> [How to ask smart questions: >> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] >> > > > -- > Mario. > [-- Attachment #2 --] <div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 1:44 PM Mario Marietto <<a href="mailto:marietto2008@gmail.com">marietto2008@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Would be cool to investigate if the Linuxulator supports Kubernetes.... <br></div><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I understand that Linux native container can already run on BSD with Linuxulator layer. But I would rather traduce Dockerfile to Bastillefile of CBSDFile and go with native code.</div><div><br></div><div>IMO, the issue is not so much the container tech, we invented that in the first place. The issue is not having a decent orchestrator / autoscaling service.</div><div><br></div><div>Although I think that runj is the correct starting point:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://github.com/samuelkarp/runj">https://github.com/samuelkarp/runj</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Although I am not a k8s expert not sure if runj counts as an alternative to k8s or more like container runtime for k8s. Would be nice that actual k8s experts could chime in here ...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 1:40 PM Odhiambo Washington <<a href="mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com" target="_blank">odhiambo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 3:13 PM Alejandro Imass <<a href="mailto:aimass@yabarana.com" target="_blank">aimass@yabarana.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>...</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"></div></blockquote><div>You're missing the fact that you could virtualize a Linux host and run all those Docker/k8s inside it and just proxy access to them.</div><div>For example, I am running <a href="https://ushahidi.kictanet.or.ke/views/map" target="_blank">https://ushahidi.kictanet.or.ke/views/map</a>; inside an Ubuntu VM under bhyve. Apache on the FreeBSD host is doing the proxy.</div><div><br></div><div>PS: I am lucky to be the 1st one to pour more fuel into your flame :-)</div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Best regards,<br>Odhiambo WASHINGTON,<br>Nairobi,KE<br>+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223</div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"> In </span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS.</span><br>"<span style="font-size:12.8px">Oh, the cruft.</span><span style="font-size:12.8px">", </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">egrep -v '^$|^.*#' </span><span style="background-color:rgb(34,34,34);color:rgb(238,238,238);font-family:"Lucida Console",Consolas,"Courier New",monospace;font-size:13.6px">¯\_(ツ)_/¯</span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> :-)</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">[How to ask smart questions: </span><span style="font-size:12.8px"><a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html" target="_blank">http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html</a>]</span></div></div></div></div></div>; </blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">Mario.<br></div> </blockquote></div></div>
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