Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:46:14 +0100 From: David Carlier <david.carlier@hardenedbsd.org> To: Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PIE/PIC support on base Message-ID: <CAMe1fxZtKNqUCGqxq6V1bD6hbanWFtmrdS4U9s2xo%2BMECpgeEw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20141015061029.GO48641@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> References: <CAMe1fxaYn%2BJaKzGXx%2Bywv8F0mKDo72g=W23KUWOKZzpm8wX4Tg@mail.gmail.com> <20141015061029.GO48641@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net>
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In first place, we might consider the usual attack targets : /bin/(c)sh /sbin/sendmail /bin/ntp /sbin/dhclient /secure/usr.sbin/sshd .... sendmail, ntp, sshd etc ... are quite sensitive and popular services, hence applying PIE (+ ASLR) will prevent attacks by this bias. /sbin/casperd (hence lib/libcapsicum|libcasper with pic ...) ... as FreeBSD is getting more popularity, such specific FreeBSD's security components might become an appealing target attack. I may have other suggestions in mind (like /sbin/(jail|jexec ... etc) but these are the first step stones. Kind regards. On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:02:27PM +0100, David Carlier wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > HardenedBSD plans to add PIE support on base in various place. > > > > These are B. Drewery suggestions : > > > > The _pic ones are not needed. The main lib file just needs > > INSTALL_PIC_ARCHIVE=yes. > > > > Modifying CFLAGS in every Makefile is not right, just add a USE_PIE or > > something to pull in common logic from share/mk. > > > > Also I know that, at least for a start, it wished to be applied in some > few > > places, like tcpdump/traceroute, sendmail ... shells ... I thought about > > also casper/capsicum ... ntp ... jail > > > What would probably be interesting is to list binary by binary on which > one you > do want to add the USE_PIE, and with rational explaining why. > > On some OS you often can see ssh(1) not being PIE while sshd(8) have PIE. I > think cherry-picking what should be PIE is the right > > regards, > Bapt >
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