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Date:      Mon, 26 Sep 2016 22:07:37 -0700
From:      Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com>
To:        Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com>
Cc:        Andrei <az@azsupport.com>, "freebsd-x11@freebsd.org" <freebsd-x11@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: gfx-next update: drm-4.8-rc2 tagged in drm-next
Message-ID:  <CAN6yY1vPzjvMyc%2Bxxs587EpwgGe6%2BCAdXqYjw66YjZafT4YUfg@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <20160927015534.GA1345@lonesome.com>
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OK. It's time to cut this crap out! This is why people talk about FreeBSD
development being a hostile place. This sort of thing is why! If you want
to discourage competent people from working on FreeBSD, this is an
excellent way.

For years the FreeBSD support for X has lagged way behind. This was true
even before things like KMS made it much harder for for FreeBSD to track
development. The FreeBSD Foundation has had to hire people to move FreeBSD
to just a three or four years. Or, in computer years, about a two or three
decades.

Now someone comes along and puts in the amazing amount of work into moving
FreeBSD's X to a point that is very near the state of the art and move the
infrastructure it sits on to one that is sufficiently maintainable so that
FreeBSD can hope to stay there.

The people who did this are not people who have a history of major FreeBSD
contributions and have a real desire to help FreeBSD as well as its
derivatives. They do the work. They work with FreeBSD on the freebsd-x11@
users to get testing done, and, when it looks good, submit it to
Phabricator for review, and ask for review. NextBSD was never mentioned and
suddenly someone jumps up and yells "Go away. We don't serve your kind
here!". Just because he works on NextBSD. Tell you what... move it to
freebsd-advacocy@ where this sort of thing belongs or just go away. Let
Matthew get this done. If anyone is banned from the list, it's Andrei. (And
I am NOT advocating that.)

Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer
E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com
PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 03:38:19AM +0200, Andrei wrote:
> > If you really want to help FreeBSD community, then don't talk bullshit
> > and send patches to CURRENT.
>
> Phabricator is an official project resource.
>
> It and FreeBSD's Bugzilla instance are the recommended ways to submit
> patches for review.
>
> Postings to mailing lists can be overlooked due to all the noise.
>
> mcl
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