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Date:      Sun, 22 Aug 2021 17:48:13 -0600
From:      Alan Somers <asomers@freebsd.org>
To:        George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org>
Cc:        Ben RUBSON <ben.rubson@gmx.com>, freebsd-fs <freebsd-fs@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: ZFS on high-latency devices
Message-ID:  <CAOtMX2hRuh_9ZOOoQufNT2QG3Ui0S3rJq%2BL-ox2kxsq1oJMSMA@mail.gmail.com>
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mbuffer is not going to help the OP.  He's trying to create a pool on top
of a networked block device.  And if I understand correctly, he's
connecting over a WAN, not a LAN.  ZFS will never achieve decent
performance in such a setup.  It's designed as a local file system, and
assumes it can quickly read metadata off of the disks at any time.  The
OP's best option is to go with "a": encrypt each dataset and send them with
"zfs send --raw".  I don't know why he thinks that it would be "very
difficult".  It's quite easy, if he doesn't care about old snapshots.  Just:

$ zfs create <crypto options> pool/new_dataset
$ cp -a pool/old_dataset/* pool/new_dataset/

-Alan

On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 5:40 PM George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> wrote:

> I don't want to abuse the subject line too much, but I can highly
> recommend the mbuffer approach, I've used this repeatedly, BSD-BSD and
> BSD-Linux. It definitely feels faster than SSH, since the 'no cipher'
> options were removed, and in the confusion of the HPC buffer changes.
> But, its not crypted on-the-wire.
>
> Mbuffer tuning is a bit of a black art: it would help enormously if
> there was some guidance on this, and personally I've never found the
> mbuffer -v option to work well: I get no real sense of how full or
> empty the buffer "is" or, if the use of sendmsg/recvmsg type buffer
> chains is better or worse.
>
> -G
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 6:19 PM Ben RUBSON <ben.rubson@gmx.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 19 Aug 2021, at 11:37, Peter Jeremy <peter@rulingia.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > (...) or a way to improve throughput doing "zfs recv" to a pool with a
> high RTT.
> >
> > You should use zfs send/receive through mbuffer, which will allow to
> sustain better throughput over high latency links.
> > Feel free to play with its buffer size parameters to find the better
> settings, depending on your link characteristics.
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
>
>

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