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Date:      Sat, 6 Jul 2013 00:50:17 -0700
From:      Garrett Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com>
To:        Devin Teske <dteske@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        Devin Teske <dteske@FreeBSD.org>, "freebsd-rc@freebsd.org" <freebsd-rc@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r252862 - head/usr.sbin
Message-ID:  <F854682B-C38F-49A2-ADF5-B2FB17347FBF@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201FB2721@ltcfiswmsgmb21>
References:  <201307060413.r664DmT5009602@svn.freebsd.org> <43915FB0-442B-42CA-BA1A-E346D95838B5@gmail.com> <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201FB2721@ltcfiswmsgmb21>

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On Jul 5, 2013, at 11:05 PM, "Teske, Devin" <Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com> wrot=
e:

> On Jul 5, 2013, at 10:09 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote:
>=20
>> On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Devin Teske wrote:
>>=20
>>> Author: dteske
>>> Date: Sat Jul  6 04:13:47 2013
>>> New Revision: 252862
>>> URL: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=3Dhttp://svnweb.freebsd.=
org/changeset/base/252862&k=3D%2FbkpAUdJWZuiTILCq%2FFnQg%3D%3D%0A&r=3DMrjs6v=
R4%2Faj2Ns9%2FssHJjg%3D%3D%0A&m=3D6Emrz4%2BdiEiu3QIuKxkRkKl%2BdgggvTvDq79TFh=
oaAC8%3D%0A&s=3Df8e3ea5c36067381ada1de66dd547b09eb051cd0761b399929dfa68851d0=
ca37
>>> Log:
>>> Take the training-wheels off, after nearly 30 months of development. MFC=
 to
>>> stable/9 planned after MFC 3-day period. The MFC to stable/9 is desired f=
or
>>> the next release to get some much-needed time:
>>> + Living side-by-side with sysinstall for compare/contrast/transition
>>> + Living side-by-side with bsdinstall for integration/transition
>>> + Additional feedback/testing before eventual 10.0-R to make it even bet=
ter
>>> MFC after:
>>> 3 days
>>=20
>> Uh, why did you remove the conditional..? Why not just change the default=
 from WITHOUT_BSDCONFIG to WITH_BSDCONFIG?
>>=20
>> I don't need this necessarily on an already tuned system and this doesn't=
 seem like something that should always be included on an appliance=81c
>=20
> One plans was to use the libraries I'm bringing in to solve this PR:
>=20
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3Dconf/163508
> "[rc.subr] [patch] Add "enable" and "disable" commands to rc.subr"
>=20
> The initial patch was rejected by dougb and I (as can be seen in the audit=
 trail) because editing rc.conf(5) is not a simple proposition. bsdconfig(8)=
 brings in a shell library called "sysrc.subr" (and the sysrc(8) utility lev=
erages it to provide all the nifty things it can do). The shell library is o=
f interest if we want to implement the high-level concept from the PR:
>=20
> sevice {name} { enable | disable | . . . }
>=20
> Since sysrc.subr provides a simple "f_sysrc_set $var $value" syntax (I'll l=
eave the rest up to your imagination).
>=20
> Staying on-topic, bsdconfig (or rather, its libraries) could end up entwin=
ed to the shell commands and you may end up using it without ever directly e=
xecuting "bsdconfig".

I'd like to read more about this. We (isilon) have hacked around rc(5) becau=
se the performance of rc is serialized and poor. I would prefer to avoid add=
ing more end-user bloat to rc because it will drive users and consumers to t=
ake more drastic measures to bypass the rc system.

Thanks..=



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