Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:13:18 -0800 From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" <chad@shire.net>, "Danny Pansters" <danny@ricin.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: New Logo Message-ID: <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNEEKPFCAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com> In-Reply-To: <9F8AEDEA-0548-4C97-B83F-8258706F59F1@shire.net>
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>-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Chad >Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC >Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 3:48 PM >To: Danny Pansters >Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: New Logo > > >And I am not trying to argue and make claims about how inexcusable it >is either. I merely pointed out to Ted that he is not in the FreeBSD >project and therefore does not have say. Chad this is bullshit. First of all the ENTIRE point of this new logo is to increase USE of FreeBSD among the people that allegedly will not use it because of religious "devil" objections. IN SHORT, this logo is FOR THE USERS, NOT FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE PROJECT. And for the users that AREN'T EVEN CURRENTLY USERS YET! And you are arguing those users should not have a say because they are not in the project? And the users in the project shouldn't have a say because their betters know better? I thought FreeBSD was a collaborative, community effort. Sounds a bit high-handed to me, don't you think? It's kind of like one day I show up at your door and say that "you need a neighborhood association" and proceed to go down to the city and go through all the paperwork and Bang - now there's a neighborhood association in charge of your neighborhood. Then I proceed to get some deed restrictions passed that prohibit you from painting your house purple, or bright orange, or putting yard gnomes in your yard, in the name of neighborhood beautification. Then pretty soon I get the association to pass some rules that prohibit people from parking cars on the street in front of their house. Then I get some rules requiring you to mow your lawn every weekend. You never asked for any of this but because "I" have gone through channels and manipulated the politics and paperwork that the city has setup for these associations, now you have to kowtow. BUT, -I- and doing this FOR YOU. Now, why aren't you appreciative? In any case from what I've seen the committers IN the project didn't have a say either. They got to vote on the contest results, they DID NOT get to vote on whether to have the contest at all. Kind of like how most governments operate - you can choose a candidate but you can't choose to NOT have the position filled when it's clearly obvious its unneeded. If the Project really needed a logo separate from Beastie then we could have simply cut off his head and made the head the logo. That's what NetBSD did a number of years ago before they got politically correctified. But as I've pointed out before, Beastie WAS the logo! Ted
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