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Date:      Mon, 22 Dec 1997 00:22:25 -0500 (EST)
From:      Chuck Robey <chuckr@glue.umd.edu>
To:        Mike Allison <mallison@konnections.com>
Cc:        Ruslan Shevchenko <Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.ua>, Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: teTeX, latex, Lyx Books
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.96.971222001438.4983S-100000@picnic.mat.net>
In-Reply-To: <349DF061.CE1@konnections.com>

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On Sun, 21 Dec 1997, Mike Allison wrote:

> You get to have your own opinion and experience, of course, but I think
> for a general writing tool, LaTeX is about it.  I've typeset books and
> even done overhead slides and color photos.
> 
> It does cross references and indexes as well as all the front matter so
> well, that I don't know what else to use.
> 
> I think TeX and AMSTeX were, of course, very Math/Sci oriented, but
> LaTeX in 2e has become quite a good general purpose publishing package.
> 
> On the other hand, there are a lot of times when I just use a word
> processor for most layout tasks since they have most everything in
> WYSIWYG.  They can't beat LaTeX' power when it comes down to nit picking
> little details and perfection, however, (being a typesetter)

As far as opinion goes, I very willing to be proven wrong.  I can easily
get the mm macros to do what you said above, PLUS

Neatly making lists, embedded lists, lists enumerated automatically with
letters (upper/lower case both automatically available) numbers, Roman
numerals, and custom designed bullets.  I'm not talking about allowing you
do do indent, I'm talking about doing it for you, remembering how many
lists are active for you and at what level, what change to make between
levels (when you end one sublist and go back to the parent) so that the
numbers and the numbering system you asked for when you invoked the list
macro works right.

Same thing for chapters, figures, diagrams, etc.  Nothing yo have to
remember, it does it all.  I can force this in TeX, but I can't get it all
done neatly for me.  Same thing for displays, like computer listings, and
all this stuff is available automatically for the table for contents,
which I don't have to mark things for, because the macros know I want
things like that marked.

How about 6 different types of standard headers, some pages, some not, for
for formal papers, all sorts of standard things that I want macros to do
for me.

Tell me that LaTeX does this all for me, not that LateX allows it, and
I'll be the first to switch.  I think that TeX is great, I just don't yet
see the neat macro support.

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