Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:00:25 -0400 (EDT) From: spork <spork@super-g.com> To: "Gary D. Margiotta" <gary@tbe.net> Cc: Matt Heckaman <matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET>, FreeBSD-ISP <freebsd-isp@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: freebsd hosting. Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.00.10005051119210.20724-100000@super-g.inch.com> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0005051023420.63612-100000@thud.tbe.net>
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I won't argue about the holdups in installation, nor the infighting, nor
the instability of lines on the bleeding edge of coverage... But once
it's up, and especially with sdsl, we've not had any ongoing issues. YMMV,
but this is NYC which is arguably the worst place for a CLEC to try to do
business... The CWA here is very strong, and if someone doesn't want to
do their job right, there's not much management can do about it.
We've also run into downright strange things with BA North techs. Twice
we've had them leave gear on site, and the customer reported finding:
-in one, neosporin and condoms
-in another vaseline and visine
I don't even want to know how these items were used during the line
repair.
Anyhow, I'll second my suggestion of this gentleman getting all his
services from one ISP. Even with frame he should be able to get a decent
deal. We don't cover that area, but I know our sales folks always try to
work something out if someone needs a bundle of services... Does NAC.net
go that far south?
Charles
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Charles Sprickman
spork@super-g.com
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"...there's no idea that's so good you can't
ruin it with a few well-placed idiots."
On Fri, 5 May 2000, Gary D. Margiotta wrote:
> Dunno 'bout that... I was recently working for the provider currently
> hosting dslreports.com... and we have been dealing with Covad for way too
> long... The incompetency at some of these companies, along with the
> in-fighting with Bell over installations and what not is unbelieveable. I
> ordered DSL for my fiancee back in October, 99, and it finally got
> installed on New Year's Eve... however, I am still unable to pass traffic
> over it, even now in May, 2000... I've had Covad out to the house several
> times already, and It Just Doesn't Work (and she's only 1/2 mile from the
> CO)
>
> At least here in Northern NJ/NYC area, the Covad service is horrid... and
> Flashcom isn't doing well either... Friend of mine ordered DSL from
> Flashcom, and didn't even get a confirmation call back in almost 7
> weeks. He called up, cancelled, and then called Bell Atl. and had his
> DSL up in 2 weeks. Granted, he has ADSL, and it's only costing him $40,
> but.
>
> And, at least where I am, I am roughly 18,250 feet away from my CO, and
> that means I'm 250 feet too far, even for IDSL... As far as Covad is
> concerned, that is too far for service. I am able to get ISDN, so the
> correlation to ISDN and IDSL being able to get both is not entiirely true
> (at least in my case). YMMV.
>
> I think the providers out West, i.e. in PacBell territory and even US
> Worst from what I've heard from people in our other offices, are much
> better at giving good DSL service, as they were the ones who really
> developed it and deployed it first, so they've had the time to work some
> of the bugs out.
>
> In correlation, I believe T1's are horridly expensive out West also, so
> DSL, even if there is a slight downtime, is much more cost-effective than
> a PTP or Frame circuit (this is my own guess, not based on any hard
> evidence).
>
> Honestly, we sell out our rack space, and around here, the most common
> thing that we recommend to our customers is the following: Put whatever
> servers you need critical uptime on in the rack, that way they get
> guaranteed speed and uptime, and if you want good speed at home, get
> either ISDN or DSL if available. The cost works out to about $400/month
> for both the rack and the DSL, and you get the best of both worlds... have
> your development servers in house on the DSL so you can test, and put your
> production environment on a well-connected backbone co-located at a local
> provider.
>
> DSL looks like the next wave of dedicated service, but at least here in
> the Tri-State area, they have a lot of work to do before it can even come
> close to comparing with dedicated Frame and PTP circuite...
>
> Just another $.02... ;)
>
> -Gary
>
> On Fri, 5 May 2000, spork wrote:
>
> >
> > On Tue, 2 May 2000, Gary D. Margiotta wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> > > DSL is still in its infancy, and if you need uptime, you still won't get
> > > it reliably yet. Too many bugs to still work out.
> >
> > Heh. He's in Bell Atlantic territory. We're seeing better reliability on
> > our SDSL lines than our point-to-point T's. The reliability thing is FUD
> > from RBOCs worried about lost T1 revenue.
> >
> > Charles
> >
> > > Just my $.02, I'll shut up now... ;)
> > >
> > > -Gary
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2 May 2000, Matt Heckaman wrote:
> > >
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> > > > I'm sorry, I deleted the original message before thinking, but revived a
> > > > bit from scrollback:
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> > > > > worried about it e-mail to be separated for the different domains. I know
> > > > > the same user names are used on the different domains.
> > > >
> > > > I do this nicely for > 30 domains with qmail, as for as I'm concerned it's
> > > > the only way to do email virtual hosting =)
> > > >
> > > > Matt Heckaman
> > > > matt@arpa.mail.net
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