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Date:      Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:54:00 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Alex <garbanzo@hooked.net>
To:        Gilad Rom <rom_glsa@ein-hashofet.co.il>
Cc:        current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Graphical Desktop for FreeBSD.
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.00.9810061348510.1673-100000@zippy.dyn.ml.org>
In-Reply-To: <361A888B.1C33FE15@ein-hashofet.co.il>

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On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Gilad Rom wrote:
[...]
> You have to remember that having KDE as default means installing both
> QT, the KDE libs and a number of other dependencies that really bloats
> the initial X installation. GTK+ will just need X installed, and
> consumes far less memory than the other ones do.

Ehm. No.  Not if you go by the ports.  The gnomelibs port depends on tiff,
gif, png, jpeg, Xpm, gtk, glib, gettext, gdk_imlib (imlib), and ORBit.
This is _more_ than KDE.  Check it out.

In all actuality, one could create a Qt app that doesn't depend on X, and
a KDE app that really wouldn't need a bunch of other libs (kdeui,
kdecore, qt, Xext, X11, stdc++, c, m).  Gnome offers little or no
advantage here.  The only thing that could be considered an advantage
would be that it's written in C, which IMO, is not a good thing for OOP
programming (your opinion obviously differs).

> > This all assumes, that attracting the l33t Linux crowd is a good thing.
> 

> Not necessarily. People stick with linux because they like it. And
> hey, We cant run Winnukes or those evil teardrop attacks
> "out-of-the-box", so were no good,
> Right? :)

No. RedHat, the apotime of easy to use Unicies, really does attract quite
a few clueless Windows users who think they are all that because they know
how to install RedHat (read: follow a few simple instructions).  While, I
think an easier to use config is a good thing, and I'd like to see the
majority of desktops running a Unixish OS, I think that FreeBSD is
definately not an OS to market to the Unix newbie.

- alex

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