Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:22:46 -0600 (CST) From: Jay Nelson <noslenj@swbell.net> To: cjclark@home.com Cc: Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be>, Mark Ovens <mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Guns and freedom [Was: Re: On "intelligent people" and "dangers to BSD"] Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.10003281802460.541-100000@acp.swbell.net> In-Reply-To: <20000327223602.B11538@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com>
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On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Crist J. Clark wrote: [snip] > >But rarely, see we all agree. And wouldn't it be nice if in most of >those cases, neither one of the people in the situation had a gun? The preferred weapon on the street is a knife and knives are consistently more lethal than firearms. I stand a better chance of surviving a gunshot than a knife wound. You should worry more about the knives than guns. [snip] >> the dangers to the owner. In the real world -- there is no such thing >> as an "accidental discharge." There is, of course, stupidity, which >Huh? When you handle a weapon, there is no excuse for _any_ unplanned event. Period, end of discussion. If you spent any time at all around people who use firearms, you would realize that there is _zero_ tolerance for "unfortunate events." The weapon is under control at all times, under any circumstance. Ask some of your police friends about that. [snip] >Shooting yourself or someone else unintentionally is almost always >stupid, but it's still an accident. I don't understand how you are >saying this is more complicated. It's simple. People, everyone, you, >me, and everyone reading this, make mistakes. If you want to classify >them all as stupid, OK, but we all do it. And when one makes a mistake >with a deadly weapon, which is going to happen at a certain rate >because people do screw up, the stakes are just that much >higher. Where's the complexity? With that attitude, you wouldn't last 30 seconds in the shooting crowd. That attitude is not tolerated. >> Most of the reasoned discussion in this diversion of the thread seems >> to come from people who clearly have never faced a violent >> confrontation and are basing their logic on the movies. That will >> convince people who also learn from movies. It will never sway those >> who learned up close and personal -- so I think we are wasting a lot of >> band width and should get back to hand-wringing over the merger. > >Strange. I think it's just the other way around. The people who watch >the movies and the sensationalized news coverage to me are the ones >who think they need to pack heat in case some random stranger comes >for them, and the chances of that are remote. The few times I have >found myself in violent situations, I am sure glad no one pulled a >gun. Fight or flight works for me, but I can't outrun a bullet. The few times I have been in that situation, here in the States, it was a knife they pulled. I would have preferred they pulled a gun; they would have been easier to disarm with less risk. But, they don't show that in the movies, either. -- Jay To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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