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Date:      Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:04:29 -0500 (EST)
From:      Stephen Hovey <shovey@buffnet.net>
To:        Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm@toybox.placo.com>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   RE: this spam
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.05.10111260904060.23332-100000@buffnet11.buffnet.net>
In-Reply-To: <002201c17655$fbe26320$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>

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Wow that was very nice of you - I dont give up - all I said was, dont get
all wound up and sick over it.

On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Stephen Hovey
> >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 8:16 PM
> >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> >Subject: Re: this spam
> >
> >
> >
> >My two cents as a network admin who is kinda sick of this topic from a
> >daily issue of it in my work..
> >
> >Use a mail program that doesnt make deleting a message, read or otherwise,
> >an act of gymnastics..
> >
> >Accept that if you do anything other that mail your mom, and she NEVER
> >sends you and e-greeting, etc., that you will get spam...
> >
> >Never do business with a spammer..
> >
> >Press delete, and get over it..  Its just spam..
> >
> 
> Today there's plenty of good tools for eliminating spam on the server.  I've
> seen
> some posts from admins who claim 99.9% spam removal and I believe them after
> they have detailed what they do to stop it.  (basically, spending a small
> amount
> of time each day improving their vast filter dictionaries)
> 
> While you may have decided that letting your users continue to get spam is OK,
> that's your choice.  However, in today's Internet environment, clearly the
> Right Thing to do is for spam filtering to be centralized on the mailserver,
> that way you don't have a thousand users re-inventing the wheel, duplicating
> each other's spam filters.  It's illogical to argue in favor of users being
> responsible for spam filtration because the amount of effort they have to
> expend
> in total to deal with a single spam message is far, far greater than the
> effort
> that you, as a mailserver admin, have to expend to delete that same message
> for
> ALL of them.
> 
> Spammers depend on convincing the majority of admins on the Internet to have
> the
> same fatalistic attitude that you do, in short that there's nothing that you
> can do about spam and so you might as well give up and blame the users for
> complaining about it.  All your doing by posting messages of this type is
> postponing
> the day that the rest of us who are willing to do something can get the
> Internet
> cleaned up of all these spammers.  While I'll be the first to say that it's
> your
> right to ignore spam, please shut the fuck up about it and stop harming the
> efforts
> of others that are working to get it reduced and eliminated, by spreading
> your "give up the spammers have won" attitude.
> 
> 
> Ted Mittelstaedt                                       tedm@toybox.placo.com
> Author of:                           The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide
> Book website:                          http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com
> 
> 


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