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Date:      Sat, 16 Oct 1999 12:46:57 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Matthew Jacob <mjacob@feral.com>
To:        Gerard Roudier <groudier@club-internet.fr>
Cc:        "Kenneth D. Merry" <ken@kdm.org>, "Chris D. Faulhaber" <cdf.lists@fxp.org>, Andrew Gallatin <gallatin@cs.duke.edu>, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD 3.2 / Slow SCSI Dell PowerEdge 4300
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.05.9910161238340.11481-100000@semuta.feral.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.991016211142.659A-100000@localhost>

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> Hmmm... This can only happened with too old or poor designed SCSI
> controllers. Well designed SCSI controllers do not interrupt uselessly.
> About disabling SCSI disconnections, I would have been glad not to have
> read that. Note that I am not going to ever choose a SUN originated
> system for numerous reasons. ;-)

I'm talking about 14 years ago, btw... So, before you slam Sun for this,
remember it was pretty good for the time and price class. I would buy Suns
*now*, but for other reasons and for certain properties that may popular
OSS systems have no clue about yet.

> 
> > I suspect that the right thing here is to to ultimately do completely
> > adaptive scheduling with hints- this would also solve the arguments I
> 
> May be, a simple but kind bug that add some mess-up to disksort would
> solve the problem. :-)
> 
> > constantly have with Matt Dillon over whether MAXPHYS is too small at
> > 128KB (it most certainly is if you have a job mix that's mainly large
> > sequential writes or reads)- but until that point, document the tools that
> > allow you to tune things and tell users "Knock yerself out... have a great
> > time!"
> 
> I have measured 35MB/s throughtput on a 80MB/s LVD SCSI BUS using 4K
> actual IO chunks. This let me think that 64 KB is not that small given not
> ridiculouly high IO latency. May-be for Ultra-160 (and probably for future
> Ultra-320), 64KB will be to small.

Again- it depends. I doubt that it's the bus speed that makes this a fine
thing here- it's very likely the faster microprocessors on the newer LVD
disks. Fibre Channel disks have some of the same properties, but even
better is the fact that non-data phases pretty much don't exist in
fibre channel, so there's no such thing as blowing through a 4k data phase
at 40Mhz+ only to sit and pick your nose for hundreds of microseconds for
status and message in and bus settle delay and arb delay.....


-matt




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