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Date:      Thu, 9 Mar 2000 02:22:54 -0500 (EST)
From:      Bob K <melange@yip.org>
To:        freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   OT: Cooling hard drives
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0003090216180.30352-100000@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <20000309021338.A38484@evil.2y.net>

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I think there's more "professional" solutions out there at this point, but
I've found that a case fan screwed on to the heatsinks salvaged from two
dead CPU fans sitting on top of the drive works rather nicely.

On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Coleman Kane wrote:

> You may need to air-cool that hard drive, sounds like it's overheating and
> messing up.
> 
> --cokane
> 
> Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group had the audacity to say:
> > In message <200003070525.VAA09958@cytosine.dhs.org>, Bhishan Hemrajani 
> > writes:
> > > I sometimes have this problem with my pc.
> > > 
> > > Usually, a good kick will get it to boot.
> > > 
> > > Sometimes on laptops and stuff the hard drive cable gets
> > > loose or something. Or, it's a bad hard drive.
> > > 
> > > Try giving is a shove.
> > > 
> > > --bhishan
> > 
> > It's quite possibly a hardware problem though I'm not entirely 
> > convinced that it's a fatal hardware problem.  I have an IDE drive, wd2 
> > below,
> > 
> > wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0xa0ffa0ff on isa
> > wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): <WDC AC22100H>, DMA, 32-bit, multi-block-16
> > wd0: 2014MB (4124736 sectors), 4092 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S
> > wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 flags 0xa0ffa0ff on isa
> > wdc1: unit 0 (wd2): <WDC AC22500L>, DMA, 32-bit, multi-block-16
> > wd2: 2441MB (4999680 sectors), 4960 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S
> > 
> > that occasionally has these errors under heavy load conditions, like 
> > fscking a badly damaged filesystem.  It's done this since it was brand 
> > new over four years ago.  The Western Digital diagnostics (just checked 
> > last week) reported no grown defects, and the Western Digital firmware 
> > utility says it doesn't need a firmware upgrade.
> > 
> > Interestingly enough, the errors weren't bad enough to halt the system 
> > or abort an fsck.
> > 
> > Could it be a software problem?  Maybe, maybe not.  Notice wd0.  It too 
> > is a Western Digital drive, just older.  It's had no problems, ever.
> > 
> > Having said all that, I had a couple of WD Caviar WDAC280 drives that 
> > would cause an error message once every two to four years.  When they 
> > had errors, the Western Digital diagnostics would fix them up and 
> > they'd run happily for another few years.  Each drive had a couple of 
> > grown defects.  I retired them after 8 years of service.  One is still 
> > running in a Windows 3.1 PC, 11 years after I purchased it and the 
> > other serves quite well as a paper weight and would probably run nicely 
> > if it was still in use.
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,                       Phone:  (250)387-8437
> > Cy Schubert                      Fax:  (250)387-5766
> > Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team   Internet:  Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca
> > Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA
> > Province of BC
> >                     "COBOL IS A WASTE OF CARDS."
> > 
> > > 
> > > > I've had the same problem.  Most people have told me that I have to
> > > > replace the hard drive.
> > > > 
> > > > I never had the problem before 3.4.  Maybe that's just a coincidence,
> > > > though.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > Chris Byrnes (CB5820)
> > > > Network Engineer, High Stability Internet Services
> > > > http://www.highstability.com
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Archie Cobbs wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > My laptop running 3.4-RELEASE decided it doesn't want to boot.
> > > > > It was uncleanly shut down via the power switch by someone
> > > > > who thought they were shutting down a different machine.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Now when it boots, running fsck gives this result:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > chip0: <Intel 82439TX System Controller (MTXC)> rev 0x01 on pci0.0.0
> > > > > > chip1: <Intel 82371AB PCI to ISA bridge> rev 0x02 on pci0.7.0
> > > > > > ide_pci0: <Intel PIIX4 Bus-master IDE controller> rev 0x01 on pci0.7.1
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x3f7 irq 14 on isa
> > > > > > wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): <TOSHIBA MK6409MAV>
> > > > > > wd0: 6194MB (12685680 sectors), 13424 cyls, 15 heads, 63 S/T 512 B/S
> > > > > > wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 on isa
> > > > > > wdc1: unit 0 (atapi): <MATSHITADVD-ROM SR-8171/058A>, removable, accel,
> > >  dma, iordis
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > # fsck /
> > > > > > *** /dev/rwd0s3a
> > > > > > *** Last Mounted on /
> > > > > > *** Root file system
> > > > > > *** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes
> > > > > > wd0: interrupt timeout (status 58<rdy,seekdone> error 0)
> > > > > > wd0: wdtimeout DMA status 4
> > > > > > wd0: interrupt timeout (status 50<rdy,seekdone> error 1<no_dam>)
> > > > > > wd0: wdtimeout DMA status 4
> > > > > > wd0: interrupt timeout (status 50<rdy,seekdone> error 1<no_dam>)
> > > > > > wd0: wdtimeout DMA status 4
> > > > > > wd0: interrupt timeout (status 50<rdy,seekdone> error 1<no_dam>)
> > > > > > wd0: wdtimeout DMA status 4
> > > > > > wd0: interrupt timeout (status 50<rdy,seekdone> error 1<no_dam>)
> > > > > > wd0: wdtimeout DMA status 4
> > > > > > wd0: Last time I say: interrupt timeout.  Probably a portable PC. (stat
> > > us 50<rdy,seekdone> error 1<no_dam>)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well, yes in fact it is a portable PC :-)  It just seems to hang
> > > > > at this point, even though there seems to be disk activity (like
> > > > > it's continuously retrying).
> > > > > 
> > > > > This machine has run fine under this kernel since I installed
> > > > > 3.4-REL a month ago or so. This same problem happens with the
> > > > > 3.4-REL GENERIC kernel.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Before this, it was running fine with a 3.0++ kernel and never
> > > > > had this problem after many power cycles.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Is there any hope in getting this machine to work again??
> > > > > Howabout disabling DMA? Is there some way to do that?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks for any pointers..
> > > > > -Archie
> > > > > 
> > > > > _________________________________________________________________________
> > > __
> > > > > Archie Cobbs   *   Whistle Communications, Inc.  *   http://www.whistle.c
> > > om
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