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Date:      Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:40:19 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Mike Hoskins <mike@adept.org>
To:        j mckitrick <jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org>
Cc:        wonko@entropy.tmok.com, Mike Smith <msmith@freebsd.org>, mph@astro.caltech.edu, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Color ls
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0007182228240.1236-100000@snafu.adept.org>
In-Reply-To: <20000719041804.A52522@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org>

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On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, j mckitrick wrote:

> It's time to sell out.  Colorls isn't THAT big of a deal if it makes people
> happy.  Adding it will make more people happy than leaving it out will.

[155]mike@storm{mike}$ echo $TERM
xterm-color
[156]mike@storm{mike}$ ls -G
<color output snipped>

'Adding it will...' ?  It's already been added.  This discussion isn't
about adding color ls support, it's about people understanding how to
configure their terminal(s).

Along those lines...  'color' isn't a default ls behavior.  That's why
you have to add an argument (-G) to make it appear.  Reading ls(1) tells
one how to do that.  With that in mind...  'xterm-color' isn't a default
xterm terminal type.  I think the problem is, ls(1) doesn't mention
anything about needing 'xterm-color' for -G to work.

I know...  This duscussion's been had before.  I'm not saying it's ls(1)'s
job to educate the polulace on termcap, but if ls(1) isn't specifically
going to expalin that -G won't work without xterm-color (and, don't get me
wrong, I think the user should have to specify xterm-color if they want
it...), shouldn't it at least point to termcap(5)?

Personally, I think it'd just be easier to include 'requires
TERM=xterm-color' with ls(1)'s explanation of -G, but that's just MO.

I have to admit...  I don't generally use color ls.  If it makes some
faction (even a very small one) of users happy though, I'm happy we
support it - and we do support it...  We support is a lot better than
gnuls, IMCO.  Ever try redirecting gnuls through more or less?  What a
mess.  Doing the same with ours works perfectly.

-mrh



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