Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:33:15 -0500 (EST) From: <scanner@jurai.net> To: Luigi Rizzo <luigi@info.iet.unipi.it> Cc: mjacob@feral.com, Peter Wemm <peter@netplex.com.au>, Mike Smith <msmith@FreeBSD.ORG>, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel driver doc's Take 2. Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0103241319260.11101-100000@sasami.jurai.net> In-Reply-To: <200103241731.SAA49447@info.iet.unipi.it>
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > I have read the thread for a while, and i wonder: > > why in the world someone should go through the effort and > responsibility of SIGNING THE NDA _and_ negotiating with Intel > for getting permissions to redistribute the code ? <sleep deprived venting> I made the effort to try and work things out for users like dennis. Who constantly have problems with Intel changing their PHY's, and our driver not getting updated. Because Intel wont give doc's out without an NDA. Now that should tell people like dennis, that our developers are *not interested* in writing binary only drivers, and/or signing NDA's. And I agree if a company needs the support let them sign the NDA and have the thing done in-house. I made the effort as im usre many others here have to beat Intel with a clue bat. They simply are not interested in playing nice. And AFAIC we can drop Intel support right now and whack the driver from the tree. I could care less about Intel CPU's or NIC HW. I have choices. And there are far better choices then Intel. Not that dropping the driver will happen. But my guess is the driver will eventually just suffer from so much bit rot that it will get yanked. I can be just as fascist as Intel. I could say we should just make a statement and rip the driver now. Make a nice article on daemon news and/or slashdot co-authored by the Linux Intel nic maintainer and just publicaly say both OS's are dropping support for Intel until such time as Intel does away with NDA's on their HW. The people who develop for FreeBSD, and I'm sure Linux as well, as you noted do not have the time to screw around with legal dept's in companies. They have work to do, and code to write. I, among many im sure, made the effort to get Intel to get a friggin clue. And as others have said before it's a practice in futility. So I made the effort. Intel is aware of what crack heads their being. End of story. Sorry dennis but if I were you I would start using other brands of NIC's. </sleep deprived venting> ============================================================================= -Chris Watson (316) 326-3862 | FreeBSD Consultant, FreeBSD Geek Work: scanner@jurai.net | Open Systems Inc., Wellington, Kansas Home: scanner@deceptively.shady.org | http://open-systems.net ============================================================================= WINDOWS: "Where do you want to go today?" LINUX: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?" BSD: "Are you guys coming or what?" ============================================================================= irc.openprojects.net #FreeBSD -Join the revolution! ICQ: 20016186 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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