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Date:      Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:29:04 -0800 (PST)
From:      Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org>
To:        "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com>
Cc:        phk@critter.freebsd.dk, rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG, arch@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: ABIs and 5.x branch: freeze kernel module ABI at 5.0 or 5.1? 
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0211262328210.57127-100000@InterJet.elischer.org>
In-Reply-To: <20021127.002657.21921523.imp@bsdimp.com>

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On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, M. Warner Losh wrote:

> In message: <2079.1038351585@critter.freebsd.dk>
>             Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk> writes:
> : In message <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1021126174032.88614J-100000@fledge.watson.org>, Robe
> : rt Watson writes:
> : 
> : >As such, I think a reasonable strategy would be to avoid exactly that: 
> : >rather than making guarantees about the ABI for 5.0, simply assert that
> : >the ABI for kernel drivers will not be frozen until 5.1, so vendors should
> : >be aware that they may have to rebuild their driver.  We've already
> : >indicated that the 5.0 release will be for "early adopters"--I want to
> : >avoid having things stand in the way of kicking the 5.x branch into shape
> : >in as much as is possible.  Any thoughts? 
> : 
> : It's very simple in my mind: we only freeze ABI's on -stable branches
> : (and we actually even  violated that for 4-stable I belive).
> : 
> : Whenever we branch a new -stable from -current, that's when we freeze
> : the ABI's for that branch.
> 
> That's my view as well.  However, while we don't want to unduely
> constrain the developers, I think that the project wants to say "don't
> change the ABIs needlessly."  Don't resort values just to resort them,
> don't rearrange structure members just because you can, etc.  If you
> need to do it for a compelling reason, then that's OK.

which is why I think we should reserve some fields now...

> 
> Warner
> 
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