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Date:      Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:21:11 -0800 (PST)
From:      Dan Phoenix <dphoenix@bravenet.com>
To:        Matt Dillon <dillon@earth.backplane.com>
Cc:        Alfred Perlstein <bright@wintelcom.net>, Jos Backus <josb@cncdsl.com>, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: qmail IO problems
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSO.4.21.0102051711490.18264-100000@gandalf.bravenet.com>
In-Reply-To: <200102060101.f1611Zu55025@earth.backplane.com>

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Mem:KB    REAL            VIRTUAL                     VN PAGER  SWAP PAGER
        Tot   Share      Tot    Share    Free         in  out     in  out
Act  107324    2124   113016     2584   12436 count
All  252644    2220  3105952     2744         pages

Interrupts
Proc:r  p  d  s  w    Csw  Trp  Sys  Int  Sof  Flt     71 cow     414
total
           6 19      1404  519 4212  415  668  422  37652 wire        mux
irq11
                                                   116916 act      83 mux
irq10
13.8%Sys   0.0%Intr  3.1%User  0.0%Nice 83.1%Idl    86824 inact   103 ata0
irq14
|    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |      11252 cache       ata1
irq15
=======>                                             1184 free        fdc0
irq6
                                                          daefr
atkbd0 irq
Namei         Name-cache    Dir-cache                 264 prcfr       ppc0
irq7
    Calls     hits    %     hits    %                     react   100 clk
irq0
     1183      989   84       18    2                     pdwak   128 rtc
irq8
                                      188 zfod            pdpgs
Disks   ad0  acd0   fd0   md0         150 ofod            intrn
KB/t   3.98  0.00  0.00  0.00          79 %slo-z    35744 buf
tps     100     0     0     0         462 tfree       341 dirtybuf
MB/s   0.39  0.00  0.00  0.00                       16396 desiredvnodes
% busy   93     0     0     0                       24878 numvnodes
                                                     5801 freevnodes

soft updates are not on at this point....did not help anyways.
async mount was enabled on /usr to try and help it.


Mem: 114M Active, 88M Inact, 35M Wired, 10M Cache, 35M Buf, 1212K Free

this is first machine....as you can see alot of memory still left over.

from another machine...same problem....this one queue keeps getting filled
higher and higher...


    7 users    Load  0.07  0.13  0.15                  Mon Feb  5 17:18

Mem:KB    REAL            VIRTUAL                     VN PAGER  SWAP PAGER
        Tot   Share      Tot    Share    Free         in  out     in  out
Act   48232    1904    55248     2184   75220 count
All  179476    3316  3387352     4332         pages

Interrupts
Proc:r  p  d  s  w    Csw  Trp  Sys  Int  Sof  Flt        cow     530
total
     1     7 17       209   60 1504  530   89   10  55112 wire        mux
irq11
                                                    75484 act      89 mux
irq10
 1.5%Sys   1.5%Intr  3.1%User  0.0%Nice 93.8%Idl    48052 inact   213 ata0
irq14
|    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |        836 cache       fdc0
irq6
=+>                                                 74376 free
atkbd0 irq
                                                          daefr       sio0
irq4
Namei         Name-cache    Dir-cache                  23 prcfr       ppc0
irq7
    Calls     hits    %     hits    %                     react   100 clk
irq0
       76       76  100                                   pdwak   128 rtc
irq8
                                        1 zfod            pdpgs
Disks   ad0   fd0   md0                 1 ofod            intrn
KB/t   7.16  0.00  0.00                   %slo-z    35744 buf
tps     214     0     0               213 tfree        22 dirtybuf
MB/s   1.49  0.00  0.00                             16398 desiredvnodes
% busy  100     0     0                             41207 numvnodes
                                                    31368 freevnodes


Your the expert in paging....please let me know what I should try to solve
this :)



On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Matt Dillon wrote:

> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:01:35 -0800 (PST)
> From: Matt Dillon <dillon@earth.backplane.com>
> To: Alfred Perlstein <bright@wintelcom.net>
> Cc: Jos Backus <josb@cncdsl.com>, Dan Phoenix <dphoenix@bravenet.com>,
>      freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: qmail IO problems
> 
>     I think before you guys go off wandering you need some definitive 
>     information on the rate of incomming and outgoing mail, number of
>     simultanious connections being handled, and so forth.
> 
>     On the face of it, high disk transaction rates, low transfer rates,
>     and idle cpu implies either lots of paging I/O or softupdates isn't
>     actually turned on.
> 
>     Lots of paging I/O implies, potentially, lots of connections.  So you
>     need a couple of stats in-hand to figure out what is going on:
> 
>     * How many mail-related processes are running, and by inference how
>       many simultanious connections are being handled?.  'ps axlww' while
>       the heavy I/O is going on would help a lot here.
> 
>     * Is the sytem paging?  'systat -vm 1' will give you a good indication.
> 
>     * 'vmstat 1' output also helps
> 
>     If the system is running too many processes then some messing around
>     with qmail's configuration options should solve the problem.
> 
>     Also, nowhere did I read how much memory this machine had.  This will
>     give us useful information on that front:
> 
>     * cat /var/run/dmesg.boot
> 
>     (And, for gods sake, DON'T screw around with sysctl vfs.write_behind!  I
>     should probably just rip that sysctl out.  The default heuristic handles
>     all the cases already).
> 
> 						-Matt
> 



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