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Date:      Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:22:17 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Ken Seggerman <suleyman@echonyc.com>
To:        Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au>
Cc:        freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: laptops
Message-ID:  <Pine.GSO.3.96.980704144703.14636A-100000@echonyc.com>
In-Reply-To: <19980704005904.20548@welearn.com.au>

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Dear Sue:

Thank you for your thoughtful reply to my laptop modem quandry.
> 
> I don't even have to know what that is to be green with envy :-)
> Boy would I like to see the faces on those windoze-jabbing train
> travellers leaning across "What can you do with a computer without a
> mouse?!" hehehe

First of all the New York City subway system is not at all conduisive to
mobile computing, if you're lucky enough to get a seat. Laptops now come
with a little knob between the G, H and B keys which acts as
pointer-mover, and two thumb bars for left and right clicking. So the lack
of a mouse is not at all noticeable.
> 
> How's it going, any joy yet?

I seem to have it narrowed down a bit, but its still not working, and
don't really know if it will or not.  Still waiting for expert advise
(presumably from Japan).

> 
> Laptops are strange unfamiliar things to me. Full of peculiar devices and
> commands, strange keys, funny little things on the case that I can't
> recognise, and mysterious sleeping habits. They cheat me out of the
> precious little bit of computer knowledge that I've laboriously
> collected. People who use them speak strange words as if to remind me how
> little I know, and they use them to do amazing things that I can't do,
> like puzzling over config files under a big shady tree instead of in a
> hot room. How can something that small do what my tower case bulges and
> groans about? How can a credit card do the job of this brick on my desk?
> Somehow I've gotta get my own laptop one day and tear away the mystery.
> It's almost like approaching unix all over again.

I needed to get a fairly "top of the line" laptop to get the additional
RAM and hard drive space I need for the compilers I use in my programming
class. There seems to be a brisk trade here in inexpensive re-builds and
I know of a source of locally manufactured off-brand minimal laptops which
cost about one quarter what the fancy new ones go for.

Of course with FreeBSD there are compatability issues (like with my modem)
so caveat emptor.

> If you want to use emacs I don't think you need to install X, just the
> part that emacs wants. Check the mail archives for details, it was
> discussed within the last few weeks (http://www.freebsd.org/search.html)

Without a working modem, I can only do pkg_add. If this modem problem
persists, I can always try to hook the laptop up to an external modem
and use the ports collection. But, I like to leave that tangle of cables
behind the PC alone. I'm using uemacs for the time being.

I just read your request for a survey minimal required apps for the non-X
FreeBSD user--a great idea!

I definitely fall into that category  whilst using the laptop.

I would say: pine, pico, mtools (a must for the Windows dual-booters),
emacs, and a print application (I'm still a newbie and don't know them
yet). There is probably plenty I can learn from your list.

I wish the Korn shell were not proprietary. I have not gotten around to
checking out pdksh.

Cheers
Ken





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