Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:47:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Chuck <cdc2@csd.uwm.edu> To: Kal Torak <kaltorak@quake.com.au> Cc: "Forrest W. Christian" <forrestc@imach.com>, Enno Davids <enno.davids@metva.com.au>, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.1010404134339.8922B-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> In-Reply-To: <3ACB4416.61A31902@quake.com.au>
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Okay, let me refraze. I work for a University I am the sole computer guy for a network containing 50 work stations and four servers to include exchange and all that fun stuff that goes with it....Give me the correct resources and I will give the security that goes with it...but with what I have thats impossible. After all they dont pay me the 90,000 that it takes. To get to my point, not all IT departments are large enough to cover every single security breach in an OS, esspecialy when that OS is open source and any good coder who knows how to read can find a million holes it. Im not saying that the Admins should be stupid, just that there is only so much one person can do. On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Kal Torak wrote: > Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 01:56:06 +1000 > From: Kal Torak <kaltorak@quake.com.au> > To: Chuck <cdc2@csd.uwm.edu> > Cc: "Forrest W. Christian" <forrestc@imach.com>, > Enno Davids <enno.davids@metva.com.au>, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) > > Chuck wrote: > > > > How can you tell the difference between a sloppy admin and one who has > > only been working the field for a few years and hasnt learned all the > > stuff that you have in all your years in it.. Why should we have to spend > > all our time keeping up with things like patches, upgrades, new hardware, > > virus while trying to keep our customer base happy providing 99.99% uptime > > and trying to fend out everyone person (its not just kids) with a computer > > who want to see how much trouble they can cause and either not get caught > > or get caught so they can put it on a job resume that they know how to > > mess up peoples machines. > > > > I run a MS shop and with all that I have to do its impossible to keep up, > > the only thing saving my butt is that MS has only limited release of > > source code so that everyone who knows C cant just browse though and find > > the holes, but even still I dont know when I can go thought a week without > > having problems from somewhere. > > Yes, its your job! > You have no right to complain to some kids isp that they cracked your systems > if you didnt even bother securing them! > > Companys that have personal data, should be fined if there security is breached > through poor administration... You can make as many laws as you like against > sniffing etc, but it wont slove anything! > > Infact I dont even see how anyone could call network scanning a crime... > Its just like knocking on someones door to see if they are home, are we > going to make that a crime as well? > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message
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