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Date:      Fri, 21 May 1999 15:34:56 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Thomas Valentino Crimi <tcrimi+@andrew.cmu.edu>
To:        brooks@one-eyed-alien.net, Eivind Eklund <eivind@FreeBSD.ORG>
Cc:        Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no>, "Ilmar S. Habibulin" <ilmar@ints.ru>, posix1e@cyrus.watson.org, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: secure deletion
Message-ID:  <YrFPJUy00Uw_0f9WY0@andrew.cmu.edu>
In-Reply-To: <19990521201043.I85583@bitbox.follo.net>
References:  <xzpwvy2pax2.fsf@localhost.ping.uio.no> <Pine.GSO.4.05.9905211100050.6166-100000@orion.ac.hmc.edu> <19990521201043.I85583@bitbox.follo.net>

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Excerpts from mail: 21-May-99 Re: secure deletion by Eivind Eklund@FreeBSD.OR 
> Either tunefs or chflags - it would be relatively expensive, so if you
> only need it for some data, it is probably better to have more
> fine-grained control than per-FS.

  Might I also suggest a 'normal' user option for one particular file to
be securely wiped?  Myself I usea simple replacement for rm I call wipe.
 It overwrites, fsyncs, overwrites again with the 10101, 01010 pattern,
zero's out the file, renames it to a random direntry and then unlinks
(whoa..  talk about what would happen to hardlinks :).  As an extra
opton to rm, for a user to be able to tell the kernel to securely delet
a file even though it isn't routinely flagged for it (having to chflags
then rm for each case is rather silly, although rm -w or something
should do it for you).

  BTW, might I taek it thatwith the kernel deletion method, a warning
should occur if you attemp to delete  a secure file which still has a
hardlink to it. 



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