Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:20:46 -0500 From: Peter Beckman <beckman@angryox.com> To: Dmitry Sivachenko <trtrmitya@gmail.com> Cc: Mark Heily <mark@heily.com>, FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: relaunchd: a portable clone of launchd Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.20.1601081020270.34827@nog2.angryox.com> In-Reply-To: <817860B6-5D67-41A3-ADD7-9757C7E67C35@gmail.com> References: <5687D3A9.5050400@NTLWorld.com> <CAGfo=8kXzNVKy9gx0jkME4iRRyrgrsfpPnW3nYrZC0gysapPcg@mail.gmail.com> <817860B6-5D67-41A3-ADD7-9757C7E67C35@gmail.com>
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On Thu, 7 Jan 2016, Dmitry Sivachenko wrote: > >> On 07 Jan 2016, at 05:12, Mark Heily <mark@heily.com> wrote: >> >> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard >> <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@ntlworld.com> wrote: >>> >>> I recommend, to anyone going down this route, looking towards finishing >>> systembsd, especially instead of inventing a wholly new suite of protocols. >>> >>> * https://uglyman.kremlin.cc/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=systembsd.git >>> * >>> http://homepage.ntlworld.com./jonathan.deboynepollard/FGA/debian-systemd-packaging-hoo-hah.html >>> * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10176275 >>> >>> The reason is that finishing systemdbsd will make happy all of the people >>> who want the desktop environments whose design is driven largely by Linux to >>> work on FreeBSD/PC-BSD. The desktop environments that they'd like to use >>> have been or are being modified to work with these daemons, over this D-Bus >>> protocol. >>> >> >> I strongly disagree with your recommendation to adopt DBus and systemd >> as core components of FreeBSD. >> >> From a practical perspective, the proposal has a low probability of >> success. Systemd is written for Linux and is largely driven by a >> commercial Linux vendor. It is a rapidly moving target, with no sense >> of scope or boundaries. It eagerly consumes the latest and greatest >> innovations in the Linux kernel, with open disdain for portability. >> >> From a philosophical perspective, I don't agree with the direction >> that systemd is taking Linux. It's one of the reasons I switched to >> BSD after many years in the Linux camp. To quote Spock, "Logic clearly >> dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". In >> case of FreeBSD, this means that the needs of the desktop users should >> not outweigh the needs of the server/jail/embedded/appliance users. My >> concern with systemd and DBus is that these tools are highly >> desktop-centric, and introduce a large degree of unwanted change, >> complexity, and risk to everyone else. > > > I totally agree. > > systemd is an ugly beast, solving simple problem in complex way. > > After using FreeBSD's rc system for years, I think that switching to something systemd-related would be huge mistake. > No reason to clone everything that happens in Linux world. Utterly and strongly agreed. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Beckman Internet Guy beckman@angryox.com http://www.angryox.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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